Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

So if someone wants to say that southern is better than northern, you're basically saying that the sisters [or brothers] in northern chapters are underneath you, and vice versa. And..that's not cool.

Well see, that's another thing. And I'm opening up a WHOLE new can of worms here and a LOT of people aren't going to like it. This mainly just goes for fraternities. Less so for sororities, but still does go on to some degree. Honestly, I don't consider our chapter at Northwest Central South Dakota State (just made that up, but you get the point) my brothers and I don't know anyone in my chapter who does. And it's not because they're from the North, it's because we don't know them. There is a chapter of my fraternity at another campus 5 miles away and we do not consider them our brothers. I think this is just an example of chapters at SEC schools being very independent of Nationals in most cases. I know most other fraternities at my school feel the same way. I hear some people on here talk about not doing something because nationals says they can't, etc and that's completely foreign to me.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

Well see, that's another thing. And I'm opening up a WHOLE new can of worms here and a LOT of people aren't going to like it. This mainly just goes for fraternities. Less so for sororities, but still does go on to some degree. Honestly, I don't consider our chapter at Northwest Central South Dakota State (just made that up, but you get the point) my brothers and I don't know anyone in my chapter who does. And it's not because they're from the North, it's because we don't know them. There is a chapter of my fraternity at another campus 5 miles away and we do not consider them our brothers. I think this is just an example of chapters at SEC schools being very independent of Nationals in most cases. I know most other fraternities at my school feel the same way. I hear some people on here talk about not doing something because nationals says they can't, etc and that's completely foreign to me.

This is a little sad to me, but I know that for some chapters it's true.

What I don't understand is why you all stay tied to the national group? Do you think you're carrying on the real traditions of the founders and it's the other chapters and that the overly PC folks and overly concerned about liability folks at the national level who have gone astray?

If I didn't really value the national sisterhood, I think I'd just want to be a local, not share the national traditions and symbols but ignore the bond. Can you explain?

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

This is a little sad to me, but I know that for some chapters it's true.

What I don't understand is why you all stay tied to the national group? Do you think you're carrying on the real traditions of the founders and it's the other chapters and that the overly PC folks and overly concerned about liability folks at the national level who have gone astray?

If I didn't really value the national sisterhood, I think I'd just want to be a local, not share the national traditions and symbols but ignore the bond. Can you explain?

For one going local would be more work for no real reason. Why go local when the only thing that would change would be the letters? 98% of people would be aware of who we still were if we were to change our letters but the other 2% would be left clueless. My campus has no locals so I'm not sure how that would go. Most of our money comes from alumni of our chapter, but there is some that comes from other chapters.

I think your very own question brings this little conversation full circle once again. I've really never thought about it till now (why we don't go local). I don't know what our founders core values where. We learned it during pledge ed, but I've long since forgotten it.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

For one going local would be more work for no real reason. Why go local when the only thing that would change would be the letters? 98% of people would be aware of who we still were if we were to change our letters but the other 2% would be left clueless. My campus has no locals so I'm not sure how that would go. Most of our money comes from alumni of our chapter, but there is some that comes from other chapters.

I think your very own question brings this little conversation full circle once again. I've really never thought about it till now (why we don't go local). I don't know what our founders core values where. We learned it during pledge ed, but I've long since forgotten it.

Words fail me.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

For one going local would be more work for no real reason. Why go local when the only thing that would change would be the letters? 98% of people would be aware of who we still were if we were to change our letters but the other 2% would be left clueless. My campus has no locals so I'm not sure how that would go. Most of our money comes from alumni of our chapter, but there is some that comes from other chapters.

I think your very own question brings this little conversation full circle once again. I've really never thought about it till now (why we don't go local). I don't know what our founders core values where. We learned it during pledge ed, but I've long since forgotten it.

Under the same conditions, I'd really want to be a local. I think it'd be less work and more freedom, assuming your campus allows locals. And you'd be completely free to use whatever membership standards you wanted with no conflicts with national policy, again as long as they weren't in violation of your school's rules.

I'll be honest: it would drive me crazy to be publicly affiliated with a national organization if I didn't value the affiliation.

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

. And you'd be completely free to use whatever membership standards you wanted with no conflicts with national policy, again as long as they weren't in violation of your school's rules.

You must have missed my point. We do all that anyways.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

You must have missed my point. We do all that anyways.

Yeah, but the hypocrisy would bug me and you'd be free of it.

I wouldn't want to publicly be in a group that wanted me to use standards that I felt not only free to disregard, but that disregarding them was essential to maintaining the membership I wanted.

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yeah, but the hypocrisy would bug me and you'd be free of it.

I wouldn't want to publicly be in a group that wanted me to use standards that I felt not only free to disregard, but that disregarding them was essential to maintaining the membership I wanted.

It's just what I (and the rest of my chapter) have always known. Same goes for guys in other chapters on my campus (and other campuses). I honestly didn't know chapters followed what nationals said so closely (or at all) till I found this site.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Under the same conditions, I'd really want to be a local. I think it'd be less work and more freedom, assuming your campus allows locals. And you'd be completely free to use whatever membership standards you wanted with no conflicts with national policy, again as long as they weren't in violation of your school's rules.

I'll be honest: it would drive me crazy to be publicly affiliated with a national organization if I didn't value the affiliation.

Agreed. The restrictions Nationals puts on GLOs are just that - restricting. If I didn't value AST, I would NOT want to follow them.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Agreed. The restrictions Nationals puts on GLOs are just that - restricting. If I didn't value AST, I would NOT want to follow them.

I understand why they are needed, but the bureaucratic aspects of the sisterhood are the least attractive to me.

Of course, I'm not talking about membership policies in my case.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

I don't know what our founders core values where. We learned it during pledge ed, but I've long since forgotten it.

Yikes.

[sasquatch]

I think if we got some guys on here responding, I might get some backup.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

I think if we got some guys on here responding, I might get some backup.

I'm pretty sure you would. I think it's a common feeling in a lot of the more elitist, for lack of a better word, chapters.

But it's something that I've always wondered about when it's come up.