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Old 01-27-2008, 02:24 PM
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I'm black-I didn't vote for Obama
I'm a woman-I didn't vote for Clinton
I'm young-I didn't vote for Obama

I voted for Edwards in the primary-I am the rare glitch in the system as the news would have you believe.

I'm tired of the race issue, I'm tired of the pathetic bickering and frankly, I think Obama has lost his point for me (although originally I liked all three candidates).

Edwards for me, has been the only one making sense the entire time and I feel like everyone has ignored him because "Oh we can vote for a woman!" "Oh we can vote for a black! (Which makes me sad because his mom is white and obviously even though physically he's black it makes me so sad they he lost his non-descript "race" along the way because I know for me that my mother is so important in my life and I identify with her over my father primarily.)

I have lost so much hope for anything getting achieved during these next for years because people are being spoon-fed the hype. And now I'm REALLY afraid that Clinton may not win and we'll be stuck with Obama...and I REALLY do not want him leading my country (just me personally cos I know everyone else is apparently on the Obama train).
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Old 01-27-2008, 02:32 PM
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Obama has lost his point for me (although originally I liked all three candidates).

And now I'm REALLY afraid that Clinton may not win and we'll be stuck with Obama...and I REALLY do not want him leading my country (just me personally cos I know everyone else is apparently on the Obama train).
Ditto...I am NOT on the Obama train, and I don't understand why so many people are. I originally liked him, but I like him less and less the more he speaks. He's become the Democratic version of Giuliani...the media says Giuliani trys to use 9/11 in every sentence and doesn't say much else; for me, Obama says the word "change" in every sentence but never talks about how to accomplish anything.
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:01 PM
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Obama says the word "change" in every sentence but never talks about how to accomplish anything.
See I blame the media for the fact that it is virtually impossible to communicate a complex idea in this day and age on a news program or in a debate. It's all about spin and getting the sound byte.

I try not to rely on the media clips and often meaningless "debates" to educate myself on a candidates ability to have a plan, and I don't expect a candidate to find a way to give me a dumbed down version of it in the news. I read Barack's last book when it came out and prior to that I read (okay listened to the audio-version of) Hillary's book. I primarily judge them on the ideas they expressed there than from any media clip, so maybe that is why I'm less concerned as to why I haven't audibly heard Barack's plans for change. I've read about how he's changed Illinois politics and what large and small steps he'd like to see the country take. I hear his speeches in that context... not in the context of wanting him to explain himself.

However, I do think there is something to be said for the power to inspire. If you can inspire the american people, that is a huge momentum for accomplishing change. We've had many capable leaders (Dubya excluded) that have been uninspired. I honestly think that America needs someone who stands for principles and that is why I stand behind Barack so strongly. I honestly don't think Hillary stands for anything but the unbridled thirst for power and the willingness to do anything to get it.

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Old 01-27-2008, 04:09 PM
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See I blame the media for the fact that it is virtually impossible to communicate a complex idea in this day and age on a news program or in a debate. It's all about spin and getting the sound byte.

I try not to rely on the media clips and often meaningless "debates" to educate myself on a candidates ability to have a plan, and I don't expect a candidate to find a way to give me a dumbed down version of it in the news. I read Barack's last book when it came out and prior to that I read (okay listened to the audio-version of) Hillary's book. I primarily judge them on the ideas they expressed there than from any media clip, so maybe that is why I'm less concerned as to why I haven't audibly heard Barack's plans for change. I've read about how he's changed Illinois politics and what large and small steps he'd like to see the country take. I hear his speeches in that context... not in the context of wanting him to explain himself.

However, I do think there is something to be said for the power to inspire. If you can inspire the american people, that is a huge momentum for accomplishing change. We've had many capable leaders (Dubya excluded) that have been uninspired. I honestly think that America needs someone who stands for principles and that is why I stand behind Barack so strongly. I honestly don't think Hillary stands for anything but the unbridled thirst for power and the willingness to do anything to get it.
I completely agree with you re: the media and debates and sound bytes. It is very hard to distill what ANY of the candidates plan for the country based on what's shown or printed in the news. Also, I would add that generally speaking, inspirational, creative, more poetic people, like Barack clearly is, have a harder time expressing ideas in the concrete. Abstractions are more comfortable.

Based on what I've read on his website and blogs concerning him, his lack of definitive plans don't really scare me. It makes me think that he is the real deal and will be able to work across the aisle, building coalitions and really get things done in Washington. A Clinton presidency guarantees more gridlock. But I really do believe that if she's the nominee, that we will have another Republican president. She's THAT offensive to quite a few Repubs, independents, and yes, even people in her own party.

I think now that Caroline Kennedy and her uncle Ted are coming out for Obama, people who will be voting in coming days will give Obama another look.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:53 AM
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I'm tired of the pathetic bickering
Yep. They said much the same on Meet the Press yesterday. Which will end up with Edwards getting the nomination and losing.

See: 1968
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:03 AM
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Boy...it looks like all the Democrats here are already down and out! I want Edwards but he'll lose to the Rep. I want Clinton, but she'll lose to the Rep. I want Obama, but he'll lose to the Rep. Damn! Why don't we all just start voting for McCain! LOL! I honestly feel (or at least hope with all my might) that we will have a Dem. president.
I just think that it is going to be a fight to the death to figure out who that will be.
At least we can feel thankful that even while we're debating which candidates, many Rep. are still between at least three as well. It's not completely all one way. Let's take some solace in that.
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