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12-02-2007, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 33girl
Ummm...
Did this woman ever TELL her sisters what happened? Did she let them know that she passed out and was taken advantage of against her will (not that she had a will when she was passed out)?
That detail seems to be missing from the story, and it would make a lot of difference. If you don't share things with your sisters, you can't expect them to know what happened and get pissed off if they don't sympathize with you. It sounds as though she was on iffy footing with the sorority from the beginning, and I think the sisters believed she did this willingly, on purpose, to make them look bad, and that's why she was terminated.
If she still can't stand up for herself at this late date (in her Gymboree situation I think my response would have been "you fucking bitch, you terminated me after I was raped, I do not want to have a latte with you"), and is still that wary of all women, then she needs therapy, YESTERDAY.
Oh, and depending on the school, getting drunk and boinking in the fraternity house could have been a big deal or nothing at all. 20 years ago, 40 years ago, OR NOW. Considering how many young women consider Paris Hilton a role model and seem to see nothing wrong with the fact that her pooter is all over the internet, it would be a little hypocritical for them to terminate someone just because she had sex in a fraternity house.
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You can't look at this through today's lens. And I am sure she tried to explain the situation, but you know how pervasive rumors can be on a campus. The fact the the fraternity brothers apologized and the dude was disciplined would have been out there, too.
Minnesota is known for "Minnesota Nice." I can really see how this 18 year old left home, probably having led a sheltered life only to have this traumatic experience. And I can understand how she is still affected by it. If her basic personality is "Minnesota Nice" then the ideas of cussing, calling anyone a bitch, or even being rude would not cross her mind.
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12-02-2007, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek
You can't look at this through today's lens. And I am sure she tried to explain the situation, but you know how pervasive rumors can be on a campus. The fact the the fraternity brothers apologized and the dude was disciplined would have been out there, too.
Minnesota is known for "Minnesota Nice." I can really see how this 18 year old left home, probably having led a sheltered life only to have this traumatic experience. And I can understand how she is still affected by it. If her basic personality is "Minnesota Nice" then the ideas of cussing, calling anyone a bitch, or even being rude would not cross her mind.
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I'm the same age (a little younger) than she is. If a sister in ANY of the sororities on our campus would have told her sisters what happened, I don't think she would have been terminated for it. Even if she would have done it on purpose, I still kinda doubt it. Like I said, it sounds like there were other problems - that she just didn't fit in in general, and after the rape instead of reaching out for help and telling people what happened, she made it a point to do things she knew would tick people off.
And I don't care where she is from - I realize at 18 maybe she couldn't have stood up for herself but I'm talking about NOW. If she is still that freaked out and distrustful of women, she needs to be in therapy.
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