Saudi Rape victim is sentenced

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

1000+ years ago, this would make sense. However, this is the 21st century and people can be civil and co-mingle without becoming violently abusive to make themselves feel empowered in civilized societies.

Apparently this was not the case....


Monet...think about it...in the 21st century we now have lists of sexual predators, we have people who get locked up for getting a BJ which seemed totally innocent(reminder...Glenarlow and company were unchaperoned...) ...kids that are disappearing and later turning up raped if not dead...we have women going to visit so called internet buddies who get abused and raped and this is here in the 'civilized' US of A....so where is the civility here? Where is the enlightenment that people can get to co mingle and nothing will happen....remember less than a hundred years ago, there was an unspoken rule right here in this good ol' US of A that when a man went courting a woman, he sat there in full view of family (of course we know that this didn't always happen and if they were caught, there was dire consequences...but I digress) and in practice, the only time they were alone was after they married.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Monet...think about it...in the 21st century we now have lists of sexual predators, we have people who get locked up for getting a BJ which seemed totally innocent(reminder...Glenarlow and company were unchaperoned...) ...kids that are disappearing and later turning up raped if not dead...we have women going to visit so called internet buddies who get abused and raped and this is here in the 'civilized' US of A....so where is the civility here? Where is the enlightenment that people can get to co mingle and nothing will happen....remember less than a hundred years ago, there was an unspoken rule right here in this good ol' US of A that when a man went courting a woman, he sat there in full view of family (of course we know that this didn't always happen and if they were caught, there was dire consequences...but I digress) and in practice, the only time they were alone was after they married.

Are you in the inaccurate mindset that there has been an increase in sexual predators due to changes in the norms and laws of this society?

Is this based on a study or just based on your ability to find sexual predator registries? It's based on the latter. There have always been sexual predators, just has there has always been all types of crime. Unspoken rules of the past do not mean anything. The laws and social norms simply changed to make such victimization unacceptable. Just like women and children stopped being considered a man's property that he could abuse as much as he chose.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Are you in the inaccurate mindset that there has been an increase in sexual predators due to changes in the norms and laws of this society?

Is this based on a study or just based on your ability to find sexual predator registries? It's based on the latter. There have always been sexual predators, just has there has always been all types of crime. Unspoken rules of the past do not mean anything. The laws and social norms simply changed to make such victimization unacceptable. Just like women and children stopped being considered a man's property that he could abuse as much as he chose.

I didn't say anything about an increase...but the USA has to have a list (and one that doesn't work too well apparently) to keep a track of the ones that are known about.

And I wasn't basing it on a study....I was just stating an opinion based on observation

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I didn't say anything about an increase...but the USA has to have a list (and one that doesn't work too well apparently) to keep a track of the ones that are known about.

And I wasn't basing it on a study....I was just stating an opinion based on observation

Then what is your point?
That we have a sex offender registry that we didn't have decades ago? Can't put anything past you.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Then what is your point?
That we have a sex offender registry that we didn't have decades ago? Can't put anything past you.

no...not the point at all...

Just my opinion that if we did some things different with our mores and values especially when it comes to dating, that we probably wouldn't need one.

That's all

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

no...not the point at all...

Just my opinion that if we did some things different with our mores and values especially when it comes to dating, that we probably wouldn't need one.

That's all

So you ARE under the assumption that there has been an increase in sex offenders because our mores and values have changed since the days of "unspoken rules."

But you have nothing to base that assumption on. And you falsely believe there's a such thing as a society without certain forms of abuses of power just because we "do some things different."

[Kevin]

We don't "have to" have a list, we choose to have a list.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Kevin

We don't "have to" have a list, we choose to have a list.

Exactly.

If we didn't have a list, would people think that means we don't have a lot of rapes and sexual assaults?

It's amazing.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Exactly.

If we didn't have a list, would people think that means we don't have a lot of rapes and sexual assaults?

It's amazing.

well here is a question...why bother even having one when it doesn't really even work because it's inaccurate?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Exactly.

If we didn't have a list, would people think that means we don't have a lot of rapes and sexual assaults?

It's amazing.

Whether or not a country has a list is something which exists independently of whether or not there are sexual predators, or how many of them there are.

The things are completely independent except that the list was created because there are sexual predators.

But Daemon's whole line of reasoning seems to be that since Saudi Arabia doesn't have a list, they don't have nearly as many sexual predators. That just isn't logical. The two things are unrelated.