Saudi Rape victim is sentenced

[SydneyK]

I understand that there are cultural differences. And I'm also sure the victim was aware of the rigid guidelines regarding separation of sexes. However, she was initially sentenced to 90 lashes. Then, because of "her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media" (whatever that means), her sentence was increased to 200 lashes and six months in jail.

I don't have any more information about this story, but it sounds to me like she got an increase in her punishment because her lawyer (perhaps at her request, who knows) argued that the sentence for the rapists was too lenient.

Cultural differences or no, rapists deserve more than 10 months in jail, and the original sentence for the rapists ranged from 10 months to 5 years. I realize that the rapists sentences have been increased as well, but it's a sad state of things when the original sentence for someone who gang raped a woman is only four months longer than the sentence of a woman who was in the company of a non-relative male.

[AKA_Monet]

Rape regardless of culture is not about sex, it is about power. These men overpowered this woman, she was 18 years old when it happened, and she had to have been covered fully.

1000+ years ago, this would make sense. However, this is the 21st century and people can be civil and co-mingle without becoming violently abusive to make themselves feel empowered in civilized societies.

Grant, homegirl in that culture should have known better, but like most "teens", she made a very poor choice that has gross consequences in that area. Moreover, it is a human rights violation against the UN charter...

So this thing is going to give some people political fodder to spew and exploit this girl's situation...

Was a "rape kit" done on her?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

1000+ years ago, this would make sense. However, this is the 21st century and people can be civil and co-mingle without becoming violently abusive to make themselves feel empowered in civilized societies.

Apparently this was not the case....


Monet...think about it...in the 21st century we now have lists of sexual predators, we have people who get locked up for getting a BJ which seemed totally innocent(reminder...Glenarlow and company were unchaperoned...) ...kids that are disappearing and later turning up raped if not dead...we have women going to visit so called internet buddies who get abused and raped and this is here in the 'civilized' US of A....so where is the civility here? Where is the enlightenment that people can get to co mingle and nothing will happen....remember less than a hundred years ago, there was an unspoken rule right here in this good ol' US of A that when a man went courting a woman, he sat there in full view of family (of course we know that this didn't always happen and if they were caught, there was dire consequences...but I digress) and in practice, the only time they were alone was after they married.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Monet...think about it...in the 21st century we now have lists of sexual predators, we have people who get locked up for getting a BJ which seemed totally innocent(reminder...Glenarlow and company were unchaperoned...) ...kids that are disappearing and later turning up raped if not dead...we have women going to visit so called internet buddies who get abused and raped and this is here in the 'civilized' US of A....so where is the civility here? Where is the enlightenment that people can get to co mingle and nothing will happen....remember less than a hundred years ago, there was an unspoken rule right here in this good ol' US of A that when a man went courting a woman, he sat there in full view of family (of course we know that this didn't always happen and if they were caught, there was dire consequences...but I digress) and in practice, the only time they were alone was after they married.

Are you in the inaccurate mindset that there has been an increase in sexual predators due to changes in the norms and laws of this society?

Is this based on a study or just based on your ability to find sexual predator registries? It's based on the latter. There have always been sexual predators, just has there has always been all types of crime. Unspoken rules of the past do not mean anything. The laws and social norms simply changed to make such victimization unacceptable. Just like women and children stopped being considered a man's property that he could abuse as much as he chose.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Are you in the inaccurate mindset that there has been an increase in sexual predators due to changes in the norms and laws of this society?

Is this based on a study or just based on your ability to find sexual predator registries? It's based on the latter. There have always been sexual predators, just has there has always been all types of crime. Unspoken rules of the past do not mean anything. The laws and social norms simply changed to make such victimization unacceptable. Just like women and children stopped being considered a man's property that he could abuse as much as he chose.

I didn't say anything about an increase...but the USA has to have a list (and one that doesn't work too well apparently) to keep a track of the ones that are known about.

And I wasn't basing it on a study....I was just stating an opinion based on observation

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I didn't say anything about an increase...but the USA has to have a list (and one that doesn't work too well apparently) to keep a track of the ones that are known about.

And I wasn't basing it on a study....I was just stating an opinion based on observation

Then what is your point?
That we have a sex offender registry that we didn't have decades ago? Can't put anything past you.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Then what is your point?
That we have a sex offender registry that we didn't have decades ago? Can't put anything past you.

no...not the point at all...

Just my opinion that if we did some things different with our mores and values especially when it comes to dating, that we probably wouldn't need one.

That's all

[Kevin]

We don't "have to" have a list, we choose to have a list.