So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by notyouraverage

duh, AlexMack, you're supposed to know already that because you're not black, you're racist just by living.

That's quite an imagination you have there.

Originally Posted by notyouraverage

If you don't spend all of your energies working against racism, then you're working for it.

Well ignoring it perpetuates it.

But even social activists and researchers shouldn't spend all of their energies on something. You have to live.

Originally Posted by notyouraverage

I really hate to get involved in this thread

Then you should've shut up.

[AlexMack]

I changed my mind, this ain't my lane so I'm stepping out. Apologies if I offended you DSTChaos.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AlexMack

Apologies if I offended you DSTChaos.

You didn't.

[gypsyboots]

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Originally Posted by gypsyboots
. . .I'd just like to get some involvement from D9 sororities with the NPC cervical cancer awareness program. But no luck.

None of us are representatives for the D9 sororities that you're trying to work with. Go to them, as adults should know how to do, and figure it all out. If it doesn't work, oh well.

Good luck with your program. (end quote)


I'm sure there are no representatives from the specific NPC groups noted earlier as only asking for your participation with step related events. I just wanted to let you know that there are NPC groups who try to involve historically black sororities in events other than "stepping" - in this case, something which affects all women - and minority women are more likely to die from it, probably because of lack of awareness and/or proper preventative health care. I think that especially in areas that concern all women, regardless of color, we should try and work together. My admittedly very narrow experience is that there is not much of that going on - and my personal efforts to reach out have been rebuffed. No biggie - as you say, oh well - but I did want to present an alternative option to the idea that striving for greek unity has to invovle stepping at all.
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[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by gypsyboots

but I did want to present an alternative option to the idea that striving for greek unity has to invovle stepping at all.

Oh, we already knew that it doesn't.

It just read like you were providing yet another tale of the "black groups don't want to hang with us."

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by gypsyboots

Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsyboots
. . .I'd just like to get some involvement from D9 sororities with the NPC cervical cancer awareness program. But no luck.

None of us are representatives for the D9 sororities that you're trying to work with. Go to them, as adults should know how to do, and figure it all out. If it doesn't work, oh well.

Good luck with your program. (end quote)


I'm sure there are no representatives from the specific NPC groups noted earlier as only asking for your participation with step related events. I just wanted to let you know that there are NPC groups who try to involve historically black sororities in events other than "stepping" - in this case, something which affects all women - and minority women are more likely to die from it, probably because of lack of awareness and/or proper preventative health care. I think that especially in areas that concern all women, regardless of color, we should try and work together. My admittedly very narrow experience is that there is not much of that going on - and my personal efforts to reach out have been rebuffed. No biggie - as you say, oh well - but I did want to present an alternative option to the idea that striving for greek unity has to invovle stepping at all.
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A huge difference that is not being expressed here is that NPHC groups tend to have a multi-pronged platform (such as DST's Five Point Programmatic Thrust or the 10 nationally mandated programs that are part of Omega Psi Phi's mission) whereas many of the NPC/IFC organizations that I have encountered have ONE (or two) philanthropy through which most of their service is focused. When you look at 5 members working on at least 5 programs versus 50 members working on one, well....you do the math.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

City-wide chapters ARE campus orgs, they just have more than one campus included in their charter.

I think you are demonstrating exactly what MeezDiscreet is talking about. Why does it have to be YOUR Greek Week on YOUR terms?! Why not a totally new activity that was created by and uses the cultural traditions of BOTH sets of orgs without bias from one or the other?

Because they weren't registered as campus organizations they weren't allowed to be included. Not my rules and they may have changed since then. You occasionally saw fliers posted for events, but not a lot on campus, everything occurred across the street at another college.

I never said it HAD to be "our" Greek Week on "our" terms. I just mentioned that the rules even allow us to do that. I wasn't ever on panhellenic so I don't know what else was done or proposed. It's not that XYZ didn't participate, it's that there wasn't communication. Our campus' situation was different. My sister's campus has a much more visible NPHC presence, although it's still small. But there's no communication even though I know her chapter has tried (I do not know what any of the NPHC chapters have tried. I'm not knocking them.) I'm proposing opening the channels of communication.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Because they weren't registered as campus organizations they weren't allowed to be included.

That also happened to core chapters at some schools.

[SWTXBelle]

Continuing with what Gypsyboots said - why can't NPC and NPHC sponsor a speaker - on any of a variety of women's issues - cervical and breast cancer, self-defense, STDs, abusive relationships, etc. - and make sure all the groups are encouraged to attend? That way, you are providing a service to the community which doesn't rely on numbers (so both groups would get equal credit, and no group would feel slighted) and provide a positive opportunity to present ALL greeks as united in a common cause? I'm not currently involved on a college campus, or I would be on this!

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

A huge difference that is not being expressed here is that NPHC groups tend to have a multi-pronged platform (such as DST's Five Point Programmatic Thrust or the 10 nationally mandated programs that are part of Omega Psi Phi's mission) whereas many of the NPC/IFC organizations that I have encountered have ONE (or two) philanthropy through which most of their service is focused. When you look at 5 members working on at least 5 programs versus 50 members working on one, well....you do the math.

Right. We have mandated programs from our national board. If raising awareness of cervical cancer is not among them, we would not have the time to do such a project. For example, our health initiative right now is obesity. So that is on what our chapters are focusing.

[SWTXBelle]

Then sponsor a speaker on obesity - while NPC groups have a primary philanthrophy, they are also encouraged to do local projects. And they also are encouraged to support other GLO's philanthropic projects.
So kill two birds with one stone - meet the goals of your NGLO, and provide an opportunity for Greeks to work together. (Not to mention that sponsoring a speaker would not require much in the way of group effort - if, for whatever reason, the NPHC group is not a campus group, having the NPC co-sponsor it would enable campus facilities to be used.)
Like I said earlier, women's issues are women's issues - they concern all of us.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Core chapters are chapters that are located on more than one college campus. There are often not enough people to charter a chapter at a particular school so they will become part of another school's chapter. The problem arises when there are so few people on a campus who are interested in an organization, the only person from that chapter on that campus has graduated, etc.. Some schools will petition to have the core status removed and not allow the organization to be recognized on the campus. They sometimes won't allow the chapter to have programs on the campus to get the core charter back or even walk around campus in 'nalia.

So they are campus organizations on multiple campuses? Using St. Louis as an example, they'd be a campus organization at Harris Stowe, SLU, and Wash U, instead of being a city-wide St. Louis chapter. I think I follow. Then the last SLU XYZ graduates and *poof* no more XYZ at SLU so they're removed from the roster. Then as non-campus organizations they can't advertise, etc. Holy Death Spiral Batman!

On one hand I can see the school's point, how is this a campus organization if there are no students involved in it? On the other hand I see how the chapter is getting shafted by the policy. And it's almost certainly not a scenario the institution or the student government envisioned when they set the policies in the first place. (And those tend to be focused on liability issues more than anything else).

Thanks for the info. Just when I think I'm getting to know this Greek business, I learn more

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

A huge difference that is not being expressed here is that NPHC groups tend to have a multi-pronged platform (such as DST's Five Point Programmatic Thrust or the 10 nationally mandated programs that are part of Omega Psi Phi's mission) whereas many of the NPC/IFC organizations that I have encountered have ONE (or two) philanthropy through which most of their service is focused. When you look at 5 members working on at least 5 programs versus 50 members working on one, well....you do the math.

Don't generalize. AST has both a national philanthropy and a national service project, and my chapter is affiliated with four local places that we volunteer at too. Just because we don't nationally mandate it doesn't mean we don't volunteer. We just don't have to be told exactly what to volunteer at by Nationals.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Don't generalize. AST has both a national philanthropy and a national service project, and my chapter is affiliated with four local places that we volunteer at too. Just because we don't nationally mandate it doesn't mean we don't volunteer. We just don't have to be told exactly what to volunteer at by Nationals.

And neither do we.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Don't generalize. AST has both a national philanthropy and a national service project, and my chapter is affiliated with four local places that we volunteer at too. Just because we don't nationally mandate it doesn't mean we don't volunteer. We just don't have to be told exactly what to volunteer at by Nationals.

It's still a matter of 5 members working on 5 programs rather than 50 working on five...