So is imitation really the sincerest form of flattery? - Page 2

PrettyBoy · #16 09-22-2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZO6jRYUXdo

Those girls look pathetic. I now know where to go on GC when I want a good laugh.

The kicker part about it is, it says in the corner "This is how stepping is done." Now, that's laughable.

Now THIS is the way stepping is done. Thank GOD for NPHC greeks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UL7L9H9qJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIGeHNDl73I

James · #17 09-22-2007, 01:53 AM

Pathetic seems harsh.

Seems like they were just getting into the spirit of things and supporting fellow Greeks.

Mocking them for being good sports seems . . . not well thought out.

Plus you would have to compare them to NPHC sororities to have a fairer comparison. And not a competitive team either.

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Those girls look pathetic. I now know where to go on GC when I want a good laugh.

The kicker part about it is, it says in the corner "This is how stepping is done." Now, that's laughable.

Now THIS is the way stepping is done. Thank GOD for NPHC greeks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UL7L9H9qJo

PrettyBoy · #18 09-22-2007, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by James

Pathetic seems harsh.

Seems like they were just getting into the spirit of things and supporting fellow Greeks.

Mocking them for being good sports seems . . . not well thought out.

Plus you would have to compare them to NPHC sororities to have a fairer comparison. And not a competitive team either.

To me they did look pathetic, and let me add, utterly ridiculous. I don't think it's harsh, it's the truth. Also why did they steal some of their steps from an NPHC fraternity, or maybe they were taught.

To me, I don't think they could even attempt to compare to any of the NPHC sororities. But if you insist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fxt76uubWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4y97uENVF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7rcsjBRDBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5K1cBBB4fw <--------These SGRhos are blindfolded and are still on beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTzIOX2ysjs
Like I said, there's nothing to compare.

One more thing. To me, the 27seconds of the SGRho youtube stepshow blows away all 6 minutes of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZO6jRYUXdo lame no rhythm havin' stepshow.

PrettyBoy · #19 09-22-2007, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

As I responded to the person who sent me this in a PM:

This doesn't bother me, especially since I have no idea of the context. This happens at some schools -- an NPHC org coaches an NPC or NIC org for their own step show. Proceeds go to charity.

and

Stepping is NOT our greatest legacy -- if that's the vehicle by which relationships are formed between the organizations, then it's not a bad thing at all. Those bonds that are made between college students translate to greater opportunities down the road.

So that's why it doesn't bother me. We know it will never be as good as a pan hell step show, but it was their own campus for their own purpose and they had fun. I won't judge them on that.

It bothers me because some jokers have the tendency to take and eventually later on down the road call it their own.

12dn94dst · #20 09-22-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by James

And not a competitive team either.

The absence of a competition does not lower the bar set for the team's performance. The point is to do a great show regardless if the show is for the enjoyment of elementary school kids or for a $2,000 first prize.

That said, I tend to agree with PrettyBoy, there is no comparison. For what is/was, my comment still stands, it was cute.

In the context of a step show however, that wasn't it. Had I gone to a "step show" and saw that particular performance done by anyone, I'd be upset.

Low C Sharp · #21 09-22-2007, 09:05 AM

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It bothers me because some jokers have the tendency to take and eventually later on down the road call it their own.

No question, the KKGs were not even playing the same sport as the other groups linked. They were having fun and trying something new.

But it seems pretty silly to me to get huffy about "borrowing" unless your organization was the one that came up with the idea of a national group with local chapters around the country, named with three Greek letters that stand for a secret motto revealed only during a ritual initiation ceremony, along with a secret grip, coat of arms, and a distinctive membership badge. Every group after Phi Beta Kappa took that whole idea part and parcel and ran with it. I am sure you call yours "your own"! And as a PBK member, I think that's great.
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Drolefille · #22 09-22-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

It bothers me because some jokers have the tendency to take and eventually later on down the road call it their own.

You do know about how this thing usually works right? It's a dance/step show where each NPC group gets mentored by either a fraternity or several brothers depending on the event. An NPHC fraternity, or occasionally sorority, is the one to teach them the moves. The comparison someone made to a cheerleading routine is very apt. Replace the stepping with a cheer and it would be one.

These events are usually for charity or just general PR, like Greek Week. These are girls who probably step once a year if ever. You trying to compare them to some awesome D9 groups is like complaining that the local baseball team isn't major league. Enjoy it for what it is.... not what other people could have done with it.

AlexMack · #23 09-22-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

To me they did look pathetic, and let me add, utterly ridiculous. I don't think it's harsh, it's the truth. Also why did they steal some of their steps from an NPHC fraternity, or maybe they were taught.

To me, I don't think they could even attempt to compare to any of the NPHC sororities. But if you insist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fxt76uubWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4y97uENVF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7rcsjBRDBk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5K1cBBB4fw <--------These SGRhos are blindfolded and are still on beat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTzIOX2ysjs
Like I said, there's nothing to compare.

One more thing. To me, the 27seconds of the SGRho youtube stepshow blows away all 6 minutes of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZO6jRYUXdo lame no rhythm havin' stepshow.

You're pathetic, you know that? This was done for fun, not to compete you idiot. Yeah, I'm going to call you a name because that's what you're being.

PrettyBoy · #24 09-23-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AlexMack

You're pathetic, you know that? This was done for fun, not to compete you idiot. Yeah, I'm going to call you a name because that's what you're being.

I don't get into the name calling because it's pointless and it serves no purpose.

Personally, I could care less why they were stepping, cheering, dancing ect ect. rather it was for competition, charity or whatever. In my opionion they looked pathetic, and it was comedy looking at them.

PrettyBoy · #25 09-23-2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

No question, the KKGs were not even playing the same sport as the other groups linked. They were having fun and trying something new

I've been to plenty of NPHC stepshows that were done for fun only and they still looked awesome. KK whatever did not.

PrettyBoy · #26 09-23-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

You do know about how this thing usually works right? It's a dance/step show where each NPC group gets mentored by either a fraternity or several brothers depending on the event. An NPHC fraternity, or occasionally sorority, is the one to teach them the moves. The comparison someone made to a cheerleading routine is very apt. Replace the stepping with a cheer and it would be one.

These events are usually for charity or just general PR, like Greek Week. These are girls who probably step once a year if ever. You trying to compare them to some awesome D9 groups is like complaining that the local baseball team isn't major league. Enjoy it for what it is.... not what other people could have done with it.

Drolefille, I didn't know that, and thanks, for the info. No offense, but personally I really don't care how anything they do works. My focus is on what the NPHC does. I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion. I'm not going to get into as of why, but based on an earlier conversation you and I had, I'm sure you know why.

I'm proud of our umbrella group and everything we stand for and rather the events that I posted were done for competition or charity, I posted them because they looked freakin' good.

I hope you all enjoyed looking at them as much as I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwsiK5Xb8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzhNmNbYnEE

Senusret I · #27 09-23-2007, 10:08 AM

But you didn't even go to a school where this sort of thing happened, so how can you say "I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion."

You say you don't get into name calling, but you called the girls in the video "pathetic" and didn't give them the courtesy of calling them by their names (Kappa Kappa "whatever")

The point is that you don't really understand what's going on, you didn't have a campus where this sort of thing happened, and you are generalizing all Greeks outside of the NPHC based on incorrect and loaded assumptions. Worse, you are generalizing the NPHC based on something as insignificant as stepping. As I said, stepping is NOT our greatest legacy.

When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

I have no problem with NPC and NIC Greeks and they have no problems with me.

Senusret I · #28 09-23-2007, 10:08 AM

And quite frankly, I think step shows in general are a waste of time and resources and I don't like going to NPHC shows.

PrettyBoy · #29 09-23-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

But you didn't even go to a school where this sort of thing happened, so how can you say "I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion."

You say you don't get into name calling, but you called the girls in the video "pathetic" and didn't give them the courtesy of calling them by their names (Kappa Kappa "whatever")

The point is that you don't really understand what's going on, you didn't have a campus where this sort of thing happened, and you are generalizing all Greeks outside of the NPHC based on incorrect and loaded assumptions. Worse, you are generalizing the NPHC based on something as insignificant as stepping. As I said, stepping is NOT our greatest legacy.

When NIC and NPC Greeks start having a social action program that rivals NPHC orgs, then maybe we'll have something to talk about.

I have no problem with NPC and NIC Greeks and they have no problems with me.

Senusret, based on my PMs I sent you on this topic and the history of it all, you know why I feel the way I do about them. You're right, I didn't go to school where these things happen, but if I did, I honestly think I would have the same opinion I have now. I respect some of the facts that you've mentioned as well as your opinions. No, stepping isn't our greatest legacy, but I enjoy them. That's o.k. you think stepshows are a waste of time, but I think they're very entertaining.

Drolefille · #30 09-23-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Drolefille, I didn't know that, and thanks, for the info. No offense, but personally I really don't care how anything they do works. My focus is on what the NPHC does. I really think they should learn on their own and stop asking us to teach them how if they want to step, but that's my own personal opinion. I'm not going to get into as of why, but based on an earlier conversation you and I had, I'm sure you know why.

I'm proud of our umbrella group and everything we stand for and rather the events that I posted were done for competition or charity, I posted them because they looked freakin' good.

If you can't approach anything an NPC or NIC(non-NPHC) group does without the vitriol you feel for them, perhaps you should avoid commenting about it. This wasn't a situation of KKG saying "ooh we want to learn how to step" it was a way to bring Greeks together. "Greeks" includes all of us. You seem to be unable to grasp the idea that Greeks of all flavors can work together. Your experiences aren't the end-all-be-all of how Greek life works and you should be willing to grow beyond them.