Sexual orientation and MS

[SNUIGC]

Originally Posted by macallan25

To be blunt......I don't give a shit if being gay is common place and acceptable now. I don't approve of it. I was raised very traditionally and conservatively....where it is highly looked down upon. My fraternity is made up of men brought up in the same styles/familys/social circles, etc. With that said, we are a private organization and can give whomever we damn well please a bid.

This is getting ridiculous. This is turning into a "people that don't cater to and accept gays are immoral neanderthals" load of garbage. If that's the case......then I'm done.

Congratulations on your bisexual sister. I don't know a single man in my house that hasn't made an effort to be friends with his entire chapter.

Although I know that this is probably going to throw fuel on the fire...and I probably shouldn't type this...but, I can't restrain myself, sorry.

That sounds almost exactly what a fraternity guy here said when Jesse Jackson came years and years ago... the IFC people here wouldn't let "negros" into the fraternities...so, he came down and asked why... one of the fraternity guys said, "We don't have to, so, fuck off."

My question is...where will it be in 40 years? Back in the sixties blacks were in an even worse situation...yet look what's happened in that time. People were making the same arguments about why we shouldn't let black people onto campuses, into fraternities, etc. that it's immoral, unethical, etc., but look at where it's gone since then.

[JonoBN41]

Some 50 years ago, I was raised very traditionally and conservatively too. Then I realized I had a brain and that I could think for myself. What a wonderful thing.

"So easy, a caveman can do it."

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by JonoBN41

Some 50 years ago, I was raised very traditionally and conservatively too. Then I realized I had a brain and that I could think for myself. What a wonderful thing.

"So easy, a caveman can do it."

You know, I'm trying to be civil with you. But honestly, fuck off.

I am well capable of "having a brain" and "thinking for myself" all the while keeping true to my upbringing. Sorry you can't accept the fact that I don't approve of homosexuality. No reason to start calling me names like a goddamned 5 year old.

You are, what, 50+ years old? How about you act like it.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by JonoBN41

Some 50 years ago, I was raised very traditionally and conservatively too. Then I realized I had a brain and that I could think for myself. What a wonderful thing.

"So easy, a caveman can do it."

OK. You crack me up. What is ironic is that the biggest homophobes here are going to end up with a child that is gay, because that is just how these things seem to work out. (*cough* Dick Cheney *cough*)

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Little32

OK. You crack me up. What is ironic is that the biggest homophobes here are going to end up with a child that is gay, because that is just how these things seem to work out. (*cough* Dick Cheney *cough*)

What knowledge do you have about Dick Cheney's homophobia?

[Little32]

Didn't he at one point disown his own daugther because of her sexuality?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Little32

Didn't he at one point disown his own daugther because of her sexuality?

No, I don't think he did.

ETA: just from wiki, we know what that's good for but; "In the biography, Cheney discusses how she came out to her parents, noting her father's initial reaction: "You know, look, you're my daughter and I love you and I just want you to be happy."

[Little32]

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

No, I don't think he did.

ETA: just from wiki, we know what that's good for but; "In the biography, Cheney discusses how she came out to her parents, noting her father's initial reaction: "You know, look, you're my daughter and I love you and I just want you to be happy."

If that is the case, I stand corrected. Though I think the point still stands, that there are gay children even in ultra-conservative, traditional families. I am sure they are often the ones in these fraternities that are so deeply closeted that people would never suspect they were gay.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Little32

OK. You crack me up. What is ironic is that the biggest homophobes here are going to end up with a child that is gay, because that is just how these things seem to work out. (*cough* Dick Cheney *cough*)

Oh.......now instead of Neanderthals.......we're homophobes.

Jesus, some of you people shouldn't be allowed to think without supervision.

[SNUIGC]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Oh.......now instead of Neanderthals.......we're homophobes.

Jesus, some of you people shouldn't be allowed to think without supervision.

Well, actually, the use of the term homophobe in this case is technically correct....to quote the definition of it, from wikipedia:

"Homophobia (from Greek ὁμο homo(sexual), "same, equal" + φοβία (phobia), "fear", literally "fear of the same") is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.[3][4] Several dictionaries also associate irrationality with this type of fear.[attribution needed] It can also mean hatred, hostility, disapproval of, or prejudice towards homosexual people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to insinuate bigotry"

[Little32]

@SNUIGC I know nothing, if I don't know language .

[SNUIGC]

@Little32 Hey, I've gotta protect a sister when she's in the right...what type of Southern Gentleman would I be if I let that happen?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by SNUIGC

Well, actually, the use of the term homophobe in this case is technically correct....to quote the definition of it, from wikipedia:

"Homophobia (from Greek ὁμο homo(sexual), "same, equal" + φοβία (phobia), "fear", literally "fear of the same") is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.[3][4] Several dictionaries also associate irrationality with this type of fear.[attribution needed] It can also mean hatred, hostility, disapproval of, or prejudice towards homosexual people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to insinuate bigotry"

If you want to be a "technical" asshat and call me a homophobe because I "disapprove" of homosexuality....be my guest.

Personally, I save the homophobe moniker for people who have a little more extreme feeling toward gays. Yeah, I disapprove of homosexuals. I also disapprove of tomatoes. Doesn't mean I'm scared of them, or have a fear of them, or am hostile towards them, or show them hatred.

[macallan25]

AlwaysSAI.....who in the hell are you to label me and my entire chapter? I'd be willing to bet you don't know a thing about me or any one of my fraternity brothers. I'm pretty sure that I can be open-minded while still disapproving of certain things in life. As far as having gay brothers.........what does that have to do with anything? Explain that one.....because I'm at a loss.


As far as you quoting the TG.......spare me the self-righteous garbage. I have no problem stating that I am a very respectable gentleman and that I alway try to present myself like one. The fact that I don't approve of homosexuality does not, in any way, mean that I am incapable of treating homosexuals with the same civility and personal respect that I would a straight man or woman. Just because I don't approve of someone being a member of my fraternity.......doesn't mean that I don't respect them or think that they are good people.

[macallan25]

Highly disrespectful, tasteless, and unclassy thing to say and act (even though it is a complete idiot like Jesse Jackson).........but, again, to be brutally honest........the guy is right. Until our nationals make some kind of change to how we, as students, run our chapters.......we can let in whomever we want.

I don't know where it will be in 40 years. Hell, we might not have fraternities in 40 years. My response is........why does it matter? Why is it such a travesty for us to let in who we want to in our chapters? Why do our memberships processes have to be called in to question all the time?