Dirty Rush

adpiucf · #1 08-02-2007, 01:46 PM

They can't fine chapter for something an alum has done. That's an empty threat. But there are a good number of women who go alumna early (they find a loophole or end up taking longer than 4 years to graduate) or stay at UCF to do a master's program, so they're still up in everybody's business. It's a way for them to scare off those recent alums from causing trouble.

I think recent alums are the worst thing about sorority recruitment. They still think of it as "my chapter" and can't let go that they don't have any authority or say in what happens in the chapter anymore. And they involve themselves or create chapter drama because the sorority is still the most important thing in their lives.

I think the best thing you can do for a graduating senior is to invite her to an alumna event and sit her down for a firm yet gentle speech that communicates, "Your work has been appreciated, but your work here is done. Let's talk about your future as an alumna of XYZ..."

TSteven · #2 08-02-2007, 02:26 PM

It seems like most of the "dirty rushing" incidents being discussed has to do with current collegiate members talking to PNMs *at their school*.

Is it "dirty rushing" to promote one's sorority (for lack of a better phrase) at a national level? For example, say Molly Member is an ABC at a Midwestern university . Molly's friend will be attending a Southern college where there is also an ABC chapter. Molly, along with her chapter sisters, have promoted ABC to Molly's friend - both directly and indirectly - over the year(s).

AlphaFrog · #3 08-02-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

It seems like most of the "dirty rushing" incidents being discussed has to do with current collegiate members talking to PNMs *at their school*.

Is it "dirty rushing" to promote one's sorority (for lack of a better phrase) at a national level? For example, say Molly Member is an ABC at a Midwestern university . Molly's friend will be attending a Southern college where there is also an ABC chapter. Molly, along with her chapter sisters, have promoted ABC to Molly's friend - both directly and indirectly - over the year(s).

You cannot get a rush infraction for talking to a PNM from a different school.

NutBrnHair · #4 08-02-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

You cannot get a rush infraction for talking to a PNM from a different school.

Really?

AlphaFrog · #5 08-02-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Really?

How would they punish you? They can't hold your chapter at that school liable. That would be ridiculous. And the PHC on your campus isn't going to care.

ETA: It's kind of futile anyway. Your chapter may be absolutely nothing like the chapter on the other campus, and being that you have no power over the other chapter's MS, it wouldn't make any difference. You could talk up XYZ because your chapter is struggling, and the chapter that PNM meets is the top chapter and she doesn't even have a chance.

NutBrnHair · #6 08-02-2007, 02:52 PM

Oh, I agree it could not be enforced, but you can get an "infraction" for just about anything! I'm sure it's happened somewhere, sometime!

It's just like a lawsuit can be filed for any ol thing, but WINNING a case is another thing.

TSteven · #7 08-02-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

How would they punish you? They can't hold your chapter at that school liable. That would be ridiculous. And the PHC on your campus isn't going to care.

ETA: It's kind of futile anyway. Your chapter may be absolutely nothing like the chapter on the other campus, and being that you have no power over the other chapter's MS, it wouldn't make any difference. You could talk up XYZ because your chapter is struggling, and the chapter that PNM meets is the top chapter and she doesn't even have a chance.

What if everything Molly said to her friend would be a rush infraction if she was on that campus. Is she protected simply because she is an ABC at a different college?

And for sake of discussion, change the Midwest/Southern scenario to chapters within a very small radius (less than 50 miles). As such, students at each college have a good idea what it going on at the other college.

cuteASAbug · #8 08-02-2007, 03:46 PM

If there was a way to monitor recruitment infractions between two or more campuses, then we wouldn't be able to use GC before and during recruitment season.

AlphaFrog · #9 08-02-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

What if everything Molly said to her friend would be a rush infraction if she was on that campus. Is she protected simply because she is an ABC at a different college?

And for sake of discussion, change the Midwest/Southern scenario to chapters within a very small radius (less than 50 miles). As such, students at each college have a good idea what it going on at the other college.

Again, how would they punish the offender? It's not fair to take it out on the other chapter, and it has no direct affect on the person who's gabbing's rush.

FaithHopeLove · #10 08-02-2007, 03:59 PM

I am young (just going to be a freshman), so maybe having not been Gree yet, I am wrong, but the "dirty rush" regulations seem overbearing.

I think the movements towards no frills rush and all of that jazz almost seem to just be less fun. I know all panhel. wants all sororities to have a fair playing field to get members so they want recruitment to be as fair and level as possible where sororities can't win members simply through a fancy rush or by sweet talking. However, I feel like it gets to the point where it is stifling.

I think that having a silence during rush week makes sense, but to start it a month before is rediculous. If a PMN has friends in XYZ, it will influence their decision to some extent regardless of whether or not that friend was allowed to talk to them troughout July.

I understand also why members cannot promise invitations/ bids as - once number allotments whittles down the list - they may have lied to the PNM. However, I think it is crazy that members have to think twice about whether or not they can say something like "Hope to see you tomorrow." That is being friendly and kid to the rushee.

I guess I just think that when I am (hopefully) a sister, it will seem rediculous how fine the line is between a friendly and dirty rush

kathykd2005 · #11 08-02-2007, 06:32 PM

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I guess I just think that when I am (hopefully) a sister, it will seem rediculous how fine the line is between a friendly and dirty rush

I think when (or if) you become a sister, you will feel differently about the situation. Having been in situations where other chapters were "dirty rushing," I know that it can be extremely disheartening when you have put a lot into recruitment. That is why the regulations are there. Not to be mean, but it is somewhat difficult to understand unless you have been a part of recruitment, on BOTH sides.

UGAalum94 · #12 08-02-2007, 06:47 PM

Okay, I am obviously not going to be dirty rushing anyone, but I frequently spend time in the summer talking up Greek life to girls who I think would be great members but think recruitment is only for Barbies.

And the idea that someone would have a policy that just generally defined that alums can't talk to PNM rivals the policy against certain types of drinking glasses for "referencing alcohol" for dumbest recruitment policy ever.

Faith4Keep · #13 08-02-2007, 02:41 PM

I know nothing official, but my initial response would be that it depends on what year the PNM is. If the PNM is a sophomore or higher, doing deferred recruitment... i.e., already enrolled at a different school, then no I don't think promoting your chapter would be considered dirty rushing. However, if the PNM is a freshman and not technically enrolled in any school yet... then in might be considered dirty rushing.

Please don't let this into any sorority girl's head though- we already have enough trouble at my U with agents

We don't need nearby schools/chapters teaming up and "not-dirty-rushing" each other's PNMs.