Anti-rape condom?

[James]

It sounds more like a ploy to really sensitize women to the idea that all men are rapists.

Or potential rapists. Makes me wonder about the authors radical feminist political viewpoints.

[NinjaPoodle]

Originally Posted by James

It sounds more like a ploy to really sensitize women to the idea that all men are rapists.

Or potential rapists. Makes me wonder about the authors radical feminist political viewpoints.

Good point

[AlethiaSi]

Originally Posted by James

It sounds more like a ploy to really sensitize women to the idea that all men are rapists.

Or potential rapists. Makes me wonder about the authors radical feminist political viewpoints.

Oh. so this is where you were getting your rant from last night....
i understand what you are saying, however, there are a number of men out there who do violate women, and abuse them (verbally, sexually, physically) and women have a responsibility to protect themselves. chivalry is just about dead and everything that goes along with it, and women need to be aware of their surroundings and be smart about the situations they put themselves into.

I am a feminist, but I also think that we teach people how to treat us (to quote dr. phil ) and in so many situations men and women allow themselves to get stepped on (myself definately included.... ) and its a process to learn how to keep this from happening....


HOWEVER

there are a great many victims, regardless of what they have done or not done and this is still an awful fact.

so... in conclusion, i think the availability of such a device could potentially help some but could also could be used in such a way that is detrimental to others (that don't deserve it).

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by AlethiaSi

Oh. so this is where you were getting your rant from last night....
i understand what you are saying, however, there are a number of men out there who do violate women, and abuse them (verbally, sexually, physically) and women have a responsibility to protect themselves. chivalry is just about dead and everything that goes along with it, and women need to be aware of their surroundings and be smart about the situations they put themselves into.

"A number"?

Of course, chivalry and rape are about as related as asparagus and little league baseball . . . I do agree that women should be smart and protect themselves, but don't you feel that part of the feminist movement is moving beyond a state of fear and subservient, second-class status (such as, say, being fearful of all men and all situations, and instead fostering an environment of equality, safety and respect)?

Originally Posted by AlethiaSi

I am a feminist, but I also think that we teach people how to treat us (to quote dr. phil ) and in so many situations men and women allow themselves to get stepped on (myself definately included.... ) and its a process to learn how to keep this from happening....

Sometimes, we teach people how to treat us (although Dr. Phil's advice, while generally correct in a tautological sense, is usually blathering drivel). Sometimes, people are taken advantage of. Women don't get to choose - they do, however, get to choose the environment they foster. An environment with razor blades in their vaginas does not scream 'positive' to me.

Originally Posted by AlethiaSi

HOWEVER

there are a great many victims, regardless of what they have done or not done and this is still an awful fact.

so... in conclusion, i think the availability of such a device could potentially help some but could also could be used in such a way that is detrimental to others (that don't deserve it).

So . . . in conclusion, you have no conclusion?

This is just a horrible idea on every level - even on the 'philosophical' level you wanted to bring it to. Who would it help? Seriously, who?

Piggybacking the majority - THE RAPE (AND VIOLATION) HAS ALREADY HAPPENED BY THE TIME RAZOR MEETS PENIS.

Rape, while a sex crime, is not a crime that is about sex - and the victim's subsequent issues are not really related to sex specifically, but rather violation. How are these problems obviated? This is even beyond the reality of "rapist punches woman in the face" in the case of violent rape . . . and for acquaintance rape, well, walking around with the anti-rape condom seems like a poor substitute for a healthy living environment, but I'm no Dr. Phil.

[OneTimeSBX]

seems a bit like a punishment from the very start. would i want my rapist to suffer? sure do! but not like that...i would want him off the streets, in jail, etc. Maiming his "cash and prizes" isnt gonna stop the truly sick ones (pretty much all of them) because rape isnt about sex, it is about power. they are gonna start groping around checking for it first and then continue. they will get injured, be super upset, and keep at it. i dont think it will stop anything.

ladies, do like i did. mace, taser, 9 mm. i can do a lot more damage than some anti-rape condom...

[AlexMack]

Sorry...good idea in South Africa, stupid idea here. Though honestly, those rape defense courses piss me off too. As a martial artist, I know that if you do not practice regularly, you start to lose anything you've learnt. It makes the courses redundant, kind of like learning CPR but never having to use it.

Here is my patented rape defense course, one easy session, all you need to know:
1. Yell fire instead of rape.
2. Kick the guy as hard as you can in the balls. He's not going to rape you if he can't use it and he's definitely not coming after you when he's doubled over in excruciating pain.
3. If that's not enough, palm-heel to the nose. You will probably hurt yourself punching a guy and it takes awhile to teach a chick how to punch without breaking hand bones. Break his nose.
4. Run away.
5. Profit!!

Basically use your hardest joints and hit him in the most vulnerable areas. Also yell fire and run away. The end.

[JonInKC]

Or consider this scenario: Susie and Billy go out on their first date. Susie wears it b/c she doesn't know Billy well. Susie (and probably Billy) get drunk/stoned. Susie forgets she has it in. Billy is injured. Now Susie faces a lawsuit and/or criminal charges. Do you think Susie will say in court that she consented to sex? Won't people pretty much assume Billy raped her?

[tld221]

Originally Posted by JonInKC

Or consider this scenario: Susie and Billy go out on their first date. Susie wears it b/c she doesn't know Billy well. Susie (and probably Billy) get drunk/stoned. Susie forgets she has it in. Billy is injured. Now Susie faces a lawsuit and/or criminal charges. Do you think Susie will say in court that she consented to sex? Won't people pretty much assume Billy raped her?

we'll just have to find out in the next episode of SVU now wont we?

and i can't imagine a woman would "forget" that she has a razor up her hoohah. its not a Tampax Pearl now.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by JonInKC

Or consider this scenario: Susie and Billy go out on their first date. Susie wears it b/c she doesn't know Billy well. Susie (and probably Billy) get drunk/stoned. Susie forgets she has it in. Billy is injured. Now Susie faces a lawsuit and/or criminal charges. Do you think Susie will say in court that she consented to sex? Won't people pretty much assume Billy raped her?

Well the implication is that she was too stoned to consent, but I don't like that because it ignores the fact that he too, was too stoned to consent

As for non-impaired use of this (from another poster) to claim consentual sex was rape, I think it's incredibly unlikely. And I think if it is consentual you should have noticed before you stuck your penis into her. Just my opinion on that one.

[tld221]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Sorry...good idea in South Africa, stupid idea here. Though honestly, those rape defense courses piss me off too. As a martial artist, I know that if you do not practice regularly, you start to lose anything you've learnt. It makes the courses redundant, kind of like learning CPR but never having to use it.

Here is my patented rape defense course, one easy session, all you need to know:
1. Yell fire instead of rape.
2. Kick the guy as hard as you can in the balls. He's not going to rape you if he can't use it and he's definitely not coming after you when he's doubled over in excruciating pain.
3. If that's not enough, palm-heel to the nose. You will probably hurt yourself punching a guy and it takes awhile to teach a chick how to punch without breaking hand bones. Break his nose.
4. Run away.
5. Profit!!

Basically use your hardest joints and hit him in the most vulnerable areas. Also yell fire and run away. The end.

i totally agree with you. as part of the mentoring org i volunteered with, we had a woman teach a self-defense course to our girls. its great and empowering at the time, but one of our girls brought up a good point that in the moment of being pinned down and what not, i cant imagine you will remember palm-heeling someone to the nose, toes or to jab them in the eyeballs. at best, you'll know to defend yourself, but unless you are using self-defense moves on a regular basis, you'll be a wrigling, screaming mess.

ETA: oh i didnt cllick the link, but once the actual clamping happens, is the guy stuck inside the girl? or does he pull out and run away with a clamp stuck to his penis?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by tld221

i totally agree with you. as part of the mentoring org i volunteered with, we had a woman teach a self-defense course to our girls. its great and empowering at the time, but one of our girls brought up a good point that in the moment of being pinned down and what not, i cant imagine you will remember palm-heeling someone to the nose, toes or to jab them in the eyeballs. at best, you'll know to defend yourself, but unless you are using self-defense moves on a regular basis, you'll be a wrigling, screaming mess.

ETA: oh i didnt cllick the link, but once the actual clamping happens, is the guy stuck inside the girl? or does he pull out and run away with a clamp stuck to his penis?

I believe that the condom comes out with the teeth imbedded in the guy.

[SapphireSphinx9]

Originally Posted by tld221

ETA: oh i didnt cllick the link, but once the actual clamping happens, is the guy stuck inside the girl? or does he pull out and run away with a clamp stuck to his penis?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the website explains that the condom pulls out, once it is attached to the penis... Which then means he will have to go to the doctor to have it removed.

Which doesn't prove how the woman will have DNA evidence that he raped her - if he runs off with the condom, then what does she have to take to the police??

[ErinIsBadNews]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Sorry...good idea in South Africa, stupid idea here.

I think it's a bad idea in Africa too. This device assumes there is only rapist. Gang rape involves more than one person, one will have hooks in his penis but what about the others? I think it increases the chance that she will be brutally raped and possibly killed.

[JonInKC]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Sorry...good idea in South Africa, stupid idea here. Though honestly, those rape defense courses piss me off too. As a martial artist, I know that if you do not practice regularly, you start to lose anything you've learnt. It makes the courses redundant, kind of like learning CPR but never having to use it.

Here is my patented rape defense course, one easy session, all you need to know:
1. Yell fire instead of rape.
2. Kick the guy as hard as you can in the balls. He's not going to rape you if he can't use it and he's definitely not coming after you when he's doubled over in excruciating pain.
3. If that's not enough, palm-heel to the nose. You will probably hurt yourself punching a guy and it takes awhile to teach a chick how to punch without breaking hand bones. Break his nose.
4. Run away.
5. Profit!!

Basically use your hardest joints and hit him in the most vulnerable areas. Also yell fire and run away. The end.

Out of curiosity, what martial art do you study? I was doing BJJ for a little while until I tore up my knee. I'm about to get back into it slowly.

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Whats the big deal about inmates getting free medical care? I thought you were a socialist lib. If the welfare queens can ride the tax dime, why can't they?

Where'd you get the idea that I'm a socialist? I may come from the UK but...
My deal is...I don't want a child molester getting an expensive back surgery, one that he doesn't necessarily need, while he's in jail because he can't get it when he gets out. It pisses me off so much to see inmates abuse the system that way.
I don't believe in welfare queens riding the dime either. Get a damn job and don't just stick around in shitty jobs long enough to qualify for unemployment then quit. It makes me so angry to see people abuse the system, both inmates and perpetual welfare-ees.

Originally Posted by JonInKC

Out of curiosity, what martial art do you study? I was doing BJJ for a little while until I tore up my knee. I'm about to get back into it slowly.

I used to do taekwondo and hapkido. My tkd style was...interesting. We were a non-federated club that practiced ITF-style tkd circa 1983-85. The kicks put a lot of stress on the knees. Eventually I did a ton of digging and found out that the grandmaster of my old club was a pathological liar with a lot of bad history behind him and I left. But not without telling all my friends in the club the truth first. Yeah, I stirred up a ton of shit and no one knows it was me
I started Hapkido and loved it but I didn't have much time and I have this completely irrational fear of falling so I didn't get to work through that. Between the two, I'd drop tkd anyday (I was a blue belt when I left, 3 ranks from black) and pick HKD back up. I miss it. Unfortunately with my right knee in the condition it's in I think I'll never do martial arts again sadly.