White men in NPHC

[Laak 315]

I'm entitled to my belief that it is easier for a greek organization consisting of race(s) other than caucasian to get away with not allowing caucasians in their fraternity/sorority than it is for a predominantly caucasian fraternity/sorority to not allow people of other race(s) into their organization, in regards to legality. Considering the fact that on my college campus, certain members of a sorority consisting of a race other than caucasian have blatantly said that caucasian girls are not allowed (at public events). A fraternity on my campus consisting of a race other than caucasian has said there would be "very small chance" that a caucasian male would be allowed to join. I know not a single person in my fraternity nor my friends in other fraternities/sororities that have said this about people of other races other than caucasian. That does not mean that the people in the organizations that I don't know haven't said these things, but I haven't heard them, so therefore this is what forms my opinion/belief. You getting very defensive at my opinions/beliefs is not helping sway my opinion that this is the way it is at many college campuses in the U.S.

[Laak 315]

Also, no clarification has been given as to why certain fraternities/sororities feel this way about caucasians joining other than the idea that we don't understand your "struggle". If you could further clarify this, that would be great.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

I'm entitled to my belief that it is easier for a greek organization consisting of race(s) other than caucasian to get away with not allowing caucasians in their fraternity/sorority than it is for a predominantly caucasian fraternity/sorority to not allow people of other race(s) into their organization, in regards to legality. Considering the fact that on my college campus, certain members of a sorority consisting of a race other than caucasian have blatantly said that caucasian girls are not allowed (at public events). A fraternity on my campus consisting of a race other than caucasian has said there would be "very small chance" that a caucasian male would be allowed to join. I know not a single person in my fraternity nor my friends in other fraternities/sororities that have said this about people of other races other than caucasian. That does not mean that the people in the organizations that I don't know haven't said these things, but I haven't heard them, so therefore this is what forms my opinion/belief. You getting very defensive at my opinions/beliefs is not helping sway my opinion that this is the way it is at many college campuses in the U.S.

First to whom are you refering to?

Second, your purview of what you think is happening on your campus is not the world's view. So basically, we have yet to care what you think or your opinions.

And just because you say it does not make it so. Are you trying to us Black folks "tsk, tsk about our organizations we were forced to form because we were not allowed to join 100 years ago"? Or to put it bluntly, are you saying Black people who are United States citizens do not have the freedom to associate with whomever they wish?

I could care less what NIC or NPC organizations do for I am concerned about my own Sorority. But to invalidate my Sorority on the eve of my Centennial--well that is foul of you.

As such, you need to PM me and we can deal with your issues offline, no sense in making personal attacks that are not germaine to this discussion.

[L.O.C.K.]

Every organization has bigots and people who are against "outsiders" joining - regardless if they are NIC, NPC, NPHC, NALFO, NAPA, NMGC, etc, etc.

Do you have to work harder to prove yourself as "worthy" as a non-minority in a minority organization? Depends on the chapter. However, from personal experience, people will question your reason for joining a predominatly-Asian/Black/Latino/a organization.

Why? Well, these organizations are designed to serve specific communities unlike NPC/NIC orgs which are not "race/ethnic-specific". It is natural for people to wonder.

However, when deciding whether or not someone is qualified for an organization, race shouldn't matter. What matters is if they are going to uphold your Four Pillars or 5 Point Thrust or whatever the core ideals of each organization are. If they live the mission set out by the Founders, then that is what matters.

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

However, when deciding whether or not someone is qualified for an organization, race shouldn't matter. What matters is if they are going to uphold your Four Pillars or 5 Point Thrust or whatever the core ideals of each organization are. If they live the mission set out by the Founders, then that is what matters.

That's exactly what I am trying to say...race should not be an issue...but very clearly from the above posts, it is very prevalent in how these certain fraternities/sororities recruit their members...

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

That's exactly what I am trying to say...race should not be an issue...but very clearly from the above posts, it is very prevalent in how these certain fraternities/sororities recruit their members...

But we don't recruit members. As AKA_Monet said earlier, this is a very important thing that you have to understand when you're looking at this issue. BGLOs, and most AGLOs, LGLOs, etc., do not actively recruit members. If you are interested in membership, you seek them, rather than, as with NPC and IFC groups, the orgs seeking you.

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

But we don't recruit members. As AKA_Monet said earlier, this is a very important thing that you have to understand when you're looking at this issue. BGLOs, and most AGLOs, LGLOs, etc., do not actively recruit members. If you are interested in membership, you seek them, rather than, as with NPC and IFC groups, the orgs seeking you.

So then why is it so hard for these organizations to accept the fact that someone of another race wishes to be a part of them if it is the person seeking out the organization and not the other way around. If anything, it almost seems like these organizations should be somewhat flattered (maybe that's not the right word, but I can't think of a better one right now) that a person of a different race wishes to join their organization. That person obviously doesn't have a problem with diversity, whereas the organizations that push that person away simply because of their race very obviously have a problem with diversity.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

So then why is it so hard for these organizations to accept the fact that someone of another race wishes to be a part of them if it is the person seeking out the organization and not the other way around. If anything, it almost seems like these organizations should be somewhat flattered (maybe that's not the right word, but I can't think of a better one right now) that a person of a different race wishes to join their organization. That person obviously doesn't have a problem with diversity, whereas the organizations that push that person away simply because of their race very obviously have a problem with diversity.

so? why are you so invested in how a private organization handles it's membership selection? who are you to tell someone how they should operate and how their protocol should be handled?

so you think that because someone non-black wants to join a BGLO that it's black members should jump up for joy and be flattered?

well golly gee willikers, billy.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

But we don't recruit members.

Actually, yes we do, albeit not in the formal sense of the word.

[Laak 315]

if you do not formally recruit, what does the recruitment process entail?

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

First to whom are you refering to?

Second, your purview of what you think is happening on your campus is not the world's view. So basically, we have yet to care what you think or your opinions.

And just because you say it does not make it so. Are you trying to us Black folks "tsk, tsk about our organizations we were forced to form because we were not allowed to join 100 years ago"? Or to put it bluntly, are you saying Black people who are United States citizens do not have the freedom to associate with whomever they wish?

I could care less what NIC or NPC organizations do for I am concerned about my own Sorority. But to invalidate my Sorority on the eve of my Centennial--well that is foul of you.

As such, you need to PM me and we can deal with your issues offline, no sense in making personal attacks that are not germaine to this discussion.

I think it's both hilarious and yet distasteful at the same time that you automatically think I am talking about black fraternities and sororities. That's quite racist of you to do so if you ask me, since you don't know what race(s) I was talking about. (It was not an African-American fraternity or sorority I was talking about btw.) Nowhere in my post did I address the organizations as "black" or "African-American". I addressed them as "races other than caucasian", so you are very clearly putting words in my mouth, which shows a lack of taste and class. As for you not caring about my "view on what is happening on my campus", you very obviously do care, otherwise you wouldn't have responded to my posting and started attacking it and me personally. As for "black people who are United States citizens not having the freedom to associate with whomever they chose", I would like to thank you for validating my point exactly. They do indeed have that right because it is easier for organizations of another race (notice again, I did not state "African-American") other than caucasian to exclude membership to caucasians than it is for a predominantly caucasian organization to exclude membership to "non-caucasians." How many times have I already stated this in this thread? I never invalidated your sorority...once again you are putting words in my mouth that clearly haven't been spoken, which is also distasteful. I am starting to believe you are just trying to get a rise out of me. Unfortunately for you, I know how to hold a civilized debate so that will not happen. I asked a simple question which to the best of my knowledge, STILL has not been answered. If you don't remember the question, it regards the double-standard. You seem to have some serious defense issues since you keep stating that I am making personal attacks on you when I am clearly not. I am making attacks on organizations that are clearly racist for not accepting people of other races into their fraternity/sorority just because they "wouldn't fit in because of their race." (This includes predominantly caucasian organizations, predominantly black organizations, predominantly indian organizations, predominantly asian organizations, etc...) As for you stating that what is happening on my campus is not happening on other campuses, that may be true. (It's not since I know two larger universities in my state that have similar problems) But, because it is happening on MY campus, I have a right to speak up and let people know that it IS happening. "So basically, we have yet to care what you think or your opinions." You don't have to care what I think. You don't have to change how your organization recruits or accepts new members. But it's precisely this attitude that makes your organization come across as racist. If that's fine by you then that's fine by me and we'll have no problems. Unfortunately, if my fraternity had this attitude/viewpoint, we'd be sued and/or kicked off campus. I guess that's the difference between our organizations.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

That's quite racist of you to do so if you ask me, since you don't know what race(s) I was talking about.

she's being racist from her post? are you serious? do you even know what that term means?

i think you're trying to hard to call someone racist, classless, tacky ect.

[Laak 315]

Originally Posted by starang21

she's being racist from her post? are you serious? do you even know what that term means?

i think you're trying to hard to call someone racist, classless, tacky ect.

To automatically assume that I was talking about black organizations simply because I am white is stereotyping, which indeed, is racist.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

To automatically assume that I was talking about black organizations simply because I am white is stereotyping, which indeed, is racist.

how do you know it's because you were white? or is this one of those mythological conclusions that people somehow come to?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Laak 315

I think it's both hilarious and yet distasteful at the same time that you automatically think I am talking about black fraternities and sororities. That's quite racist of you to do so if you ask me, since you don't know what race(s) I was talking about. (It was not an African-American fraternity or sorority I was talking about btw.) Nowhere in my post did I address the organizations as "black" or "African-American". I addressed them as "races other than caucasian", so you are very clearly putting words in my mouth, which shows a lack of taste and class. As for you not caring about my "view on what is happening on my campus", you very obviously do care, otherwise you wouldn't have responded to my posting and started attacking it and me personally. As for "black people who are United States citizens not having the freedom to associate with whomever they chose", I would like to thank you for validating my point exactly. They do indeed have that right because it is easier for organizations of another race (notice again, I did not state "African-American") other than caucasian to exclude membership to caucasians than it is for a predominantly caucasian organization to exclude membership to "non-caucasians." How many times have I already stated this in this thread? I never invalidated your sorority...once again you are putting words in my mouth that clearly haven't been spoken, which is also distasteful. I am starting to believe you are just trying to get a rise out of me. Unfortunately for you, I know how to hold a civilized debate so that will not happen. I asked a simple question which to the best of my knowledge, STILL has not been answered. If you don't remember the question, it regards the double-standard. You seem to have some serious defense issues since you keep stating that I am making personal attacks on you when I am clearly not. I am making attacks on organizations that are clearly racist for not accepting people of other races into their fraternity/sorority just because they "wouldn't fit in because of their race." (This includes predominantly caucasian organizations, predominantly black organizations, predominantly indian organizations, predominantly asian organizations, etc...) As for you stating that what is happening on my campus is not happening on other campuses, that may be true. (It's not since I know two larger universities in my state that have similar problems) But, because it is happening on MY campus, I have a right to speak up and let people know that it IS happening. "So basically, we have yet to care what you think or your opinions." You don't have to care what I think. You don't have to change how your organization recruits or accepts new members. But it's precisely this attitude that makes your organization come across as racist. If that's fine by you then that's fine by me and we'll have no problems. Unfortunately, if my fraternity had this attitude/viewpoint, we'd be sued and/or kicked off campus. I guess that's the difference between our organizations.

Please Private Message me if you have any personal issues with me. I tire of skirting personal frivolous discussions such as these issues on a public on line message board.