White men in NPHC

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Also remember that we are individuals typing. We don't express the sentiment of anyone but ourselves.

I've said that all along

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I see. But even after becoming educated on such things, that doesn't mean you have it in your heart to devote a lifetime commitment to such things. That applies to any organization with a particular type of interest and philanthropy-base.

Quite true, my interest is more of an academic one. But I'm also not interested in joining an NPHC sorority. (No offense you know )

If starang21 actually hung with other nonblacks, he might've been like that too. Then I'd have to leave him.

No, that would be sad. Don't do that!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Quite true, my interest is more of an academic one. But I'm also not interested in joining an NPHC sorority. (No offense you know )

None taken.

See, academic interests are cool because we all have them. My research interests include the black community and the black church. But there's often (not always) a difference between when I study the black community versus a white person coming in to study the black community. There's historical and contemporary antagonism in that. It can make people feel like subjects who are being scrutinized and even used for something that doesn't fit a communal goal. That's how some black people feel when they vote whites into our organizations.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

None taken.

See, academic interests are cool because we all have them. My research interests include the black community and the black church. But there's often (not always) a difference between when I study the black community versus a white person coming in to study the black community. There's historical and contemporary antagonism in that. It can make people feel like subjects who are being scrutinized and even used for something that doesn't fit a communal goal. That's how some black people feel when they vote whites into our organizations.

I can understand that, just that I would hope each candidate is voted on by each member on their individual merits, not by the color of their skin.

I was fortunate enough to take a class on African-American Psychology. Big eye-opener to me. When I talked about it to other friends they were like... "and how is that different from everyone else's psychology?" Got me really looking at how everything from psychological theories to every day assumptions are based on white males and studies using white male college students. (Although due to the number of females in psychology who are often required to participate in studies, that's changing a bit)

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I can understand that, just that I would hope each candidate is voted on by each member on their individual merits, not by the color of their skin.

I was fortunate enough to take a class on African-American Psychology. Big eye-opener to me. When I talked about it to other friends they were like... "and how is that different from everyone else's psychology?" Got me really looking at how everything from psychological theories to every day assumptions are based on white males and studies using white male college students. (Although due to the number of females in psychology who are often required to participate in studies, that's changing a bit)

I get judge by the color of my skin everyday and I deal with it. Again I'm 1 vote and if I met a White Delta, I wouldn't disrespect her. I don't get why non-whites want to join NPC organizations, but if that's their choice cool. But I don't get offend when those members also wonder why a person of color would want to join an organization that historically didn't want them. Nor would I get offended if a historically Jewish organization wondered why a Christian would join its ranks and would vote no. I just chalk it up to be attempting to maintain the integrity of the historically purpose of the organization.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Reds6

I get judge by the color of my skin everyday and I deal with it. Again I'm 1 vote and if I met a White Delta, I wouldn't disrespect her. I don't get why non-whites want to join NPC organizations, but if that's their choice cool. But I don't get offend when those members also wonder why a person of color would want to join an organization that historically didn't want them. Nor would I get offended if a historically Jewish organization wondered why a Christian would join its ranks and would vote no. I just chalk it up to be attempting to maintain the integrity of the historically purpose of the organization.

I just think that judging people based on the color of their skin is a behavior to terminate not to propogate. Also there's a difference with NPC groups in that no matter our historical founding we're pretty much open to everyone and Christians do join historically Jewish organizations every day.. ok well every Rush. THe important part is whether one can uphold the values of the organization. I do not deny we have racist members, but I wouldn't hold my tongue then either

[RedefinedDiva]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I just think that judging people based on the color of their skin is a behavior to terminate not to propogate. Also there's a difference with NPC groups in that no matter our historical founding we're pretty much open to everyone and Christians do join historically Jewish organizations every day.. ok well every Rush. THe important part is whether one can uphold the values of the organization. I do not deny we have racist members, but I wouldn't hold my tongue then either

With this statement, why is so hard to believe that NPHC orgs. can't be open to everyone?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

With this statement, why is so hard to believe that NPHC orgs. can't be open to everyone?

I don't believe that, and that was never my point. Please read more carefully.

[Reds6]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I just think that judging people based on the color of their skin is a behavior to terminate not to propogate. Also there's a difference with NPC groups in that no matter our historical founding we're pretty much open to everyone and Christians do join historically Jewish organizations every day.. ok well every Rush. THe important part is whether one can uphold the values of the organization. I do not deny we have racist members, but I wouldn't hold my tongue then either

I'm not disputing that Non-Jews join Historically founded Frats and Sororities, but I'm sure when they do it's questioned why.

But we can continue to go back and forth and my position won't change. Although my orgnaization does except white members, my question will still remain why does a white person want to join a historically black Sorority? I wouldn't vote no for a white person soley based on their skin color but on my doubt of the level of committment they have to my community.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva

I think you should do the same. This conversation has gone on for far too long, all because you are worried about what WE do in our orgs. The young man asked about NPHC orgs. and members of the NPHC are the best ones to answer. We did.

Yes, and I commented on something else entirely. I'm not particularly worried about how you run your organization. This conversation has not gone on longer than anything else and if you dislike it you are free to do so, I was, however, enjoying a dialogue.

In a nutshell: D9 orgs. accept members from all races.

I still don't think you've been following the conversation. This is quite understood.

Some members of the NPHC on GC have stated that they wouldn't vote for a non-Black prospect.

And this is what I commented on.

However, they do not represent the majority.

I've acknowleged this all along, and I commented because it is disheartening to see even in the indivdual and I find that sort of across the border bias offensive.

Everyone is welcomed to try and should not be discouraged. Do your research and good luck.

Also, understood and I'm sure interests appreciate the encouragement.

Originally Posted by Reds6

I'm not disputing that Non-Jews join Historically founded Frats and Sororities, but I'm sure when they do it's questioned why.

As I'm not in a Jewish organization I can't speak for them, but if they're much like the rest of the NPC there's not a lot of questioning going on along those lines.

But we can continue to go back and forth and my position won't change.

I never really expected you to change your position based on me, I simply wished to express my opinion on the matter.

Although my orgnaization does except white members, my question will still remain why does a white person want to join a historically black Sorority?I wouldn't vote no for a white person soley based on their skin color but on my doubt of the level of committment they have to my community.

The part that bothers me, is the assumption that their level of commitment will be lower than any acceptable black interest simply because of their skin color. That is what made me speak up, and that's still my opinion on the matter.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Reds6

I'm not disputing that Non-Jews join Historically founded Frats and Sororities, but I'm sure when they do it's questioned why.

But we can continue to go back and forth and my position won't change. Although my orgnaization does except white members, my question will still remain why does a white person want to join a historically black Sorority? I wouldn't vote no for a white person soley based on their skin color but on my doubt of the level of committment they have to my community.

To be honest I think the same way. I was always really curious when I saw a black guy or girl rush NIC or NPC when the entire D9 plus several locals were on campus. In the end I found out that people would just go where they felt they belonged.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I was fortunate enough to take a class on African-American Psychology. Big eye-opener to me. When I talked about it to other friends they were like... "and how is that different from everyone else's psychology?" Got me really looking at how everything from psychological theories to every day assumptions are based on white males and studies using white male college students. (Although due to the number of females in psychology who are often required to participate in studies, that's changing a bit)

Which is a HUGE critique that feminist scholars and race scholars have been making for years.

Folks are correct in that "African American psychology" isn't inherently different than everyone else's. But what your class was about was probably more "social psychology" which delves into how our surroundings influence us cognitively, cultural expectations, and meanings. And how the cognitive, expectations, and meanings impacts our surroundings.