Is this legal? Deactivated one NPC, now part of a new NPC.

[Dionysus]

Jeau??? Is this how kids spell "Jew" these days??? First, it was "azn"...and now this.

[honeychile]

I'd still put my money on an Alumnae Panhellenic checking all transfer students than ANY information such as a SSN any day of the week. Anyone who has sat through a bid matching or a planning session of any sort that involves Advisors or Alumnae Panhellenic ladies know that they are a force to reckon with!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by honeychile

I'd still put my money on an Alumnae Panhellenic checking all transfer students than ANY information such as a SSN any day of the week. Anyone who has sat through a bid matching or a planning session of any sort that involves Advisors or Alumnae Panhellenic ladies know that they are a force to reckon with!

This sounds good to me. Does every school have an Alumnae Panhellenic group?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

This sounds good to me. Does every school have an Alumnae Panhellenic group?

No, which is why it is a terrible idea. At a school with only one NPC there isn't even a Panhellenic at all.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

No, which is why it is a terrible idea. At a school with only one NPC there isn't even a Panhellenic at all.

Well, on the upside, a school with only one NPC probably doesn't have that many transfer students rush each year, so it would be easier for the group to track the girl's history down.

I was trying to imagine what could work at UGA with 1000-1200 PNMs, and I think each chapter checking the background of each transfer that they actually give a bid to is the only way. As long as you could look into it before initiation, it would work.

I wouldn't want a SSN database; I tend to think that transfers who come from schools with NPC orgs are probably limited enough that each chapter could do the research if the chapter cared enough.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Well, on the upside, a school with only one NPC probably doesn't have that many transfer students rush each year, so it would be easier for the group to track the girl's history down.

I was trying to imagine what could work at UGA with 1000-1200 PNMs, and I think each chapter checking the background of each transfer that they actually give a bid to is the only way. As long as you could look into it before initiation, it would work.

I wouldn't want a SSN database; I tend to think that transfers who come from schools with NPC orgs are probably limited enough that each chapter could do the research if the chapter cared enough.

No, there are a ton of people who transfer from all of the other state schools, many of whom have several NPCs. These girls are from all over the midwest and it would be impossible to track them down. I'd have to call my friends at the University of Wisconsin and get them to go through the Greek stalkerbook and even that isn't going to be 100% correct.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

No, there are a ton of people who transfer from all of the other state schools, many of whom have several NPCs. These girls are from all over the midwest and it would be impossible to track them down. I'd have to call my friends at the University of Wisconsin and get them to go through the Greek stalkerbook and even that isn't going to be 100% correct.

How many do you mean by tons? Are you doing this after they are extended bids or before rush? How big are your new member classes?

Couldn't you call the chapters directly at the campuses where the girls came from? Honestly, how many transfers did you bid last year? How many came from schools with more than five NPC groups?

(Remember no NPCs are at two year schools.)

ETA: I realized this sounded really confrontation with all the questions. I didn't really mean it too. I'm just trying to understand what your actual experience has been. Even in a 50+ girl pledge class at UGA, there aren't probably even five sophomores or above in most groups; a good percentage of the sophomores may have been on the same campus the year before, and of the transfers, some probably came from schools with very few NPC groups. It doesn't seem like it would be hard to track down once you only had to track down the ones who you wanted to join your group, as opposed to screening everyone going through rush.

[Leslie Anne]

One thing about the social security numbers... When I started college I didn't have one. (I have no idea why) The university gave me a temporary number similar to the ones they give students from abroad. So, unless I'm mistaken, my sorority doesn't have my real SSN.

I'm glad of that too. I'm completely opposed to some huge database with my personal information in it. Especially if its only purpose is to weed out a tiny number of girls who might try to join two different NPCs.

And once again for the record (I think I've told this story on GC at least 4 times) my chapter had a sister who had transfered from another school. By the time I pledged it was pretty much common knowledge within the chapter that she had been a member of another NPC at her old school. Strangely, I don't remember anyone really caring about it. I know I didn't. She was a great KD sister.

I'm not advocating it, just stating a fact.


*edited to add*

Funny, I just checked my mail and the current issue of The Angelos came in. The headline across the front reads, "The Great Imposters: Identity Thieves Want to Steal Your Good Name" One of the tips the article gives on how to protect yourself - "Don't carry your Social Security card in your wallet.... Give it out only if absolutely necessary and first ask to use another identifier." Later in the article it states that, "toward the end of last year, more than 800,000 Social Security numbers were hijacked from a restricted UCLA database." Yep! I'm keeping my SSN private! Thanks for agreeing with me, KD.

[Buttonz]

I agree that I don't want my SSN being given out.

I really wish there was a better way to check these things. I really don't get why people do them...or why it doesn't bother some people when they find out.

There is a sister of mine that we aren't sure if she deactivated or not who went ahead and the same semester that my chapter was closed joined a NPHC chapter and would walk around campus in her new letters. That bothered me a lot...(one or two of you on here know who I'm talking about)/

[BabyPiNK_FL]

I am also against the SSN thing as many members of my chapter are not citizens of the U.S. and don't have them. Plus, I honestly wish my nationals had no requested it of me. I do get mail for a "my org." credit card and many other things I neither requested nor need. It's annoying enough and it's hard enough to keep your information private these days.

[Leslie Anne]

Just to update...

I was calling Kappa Delta Headquarters today anyway, so I decided to ask if they kept Social Security Numbers of members. They do NOT. Some NPCs might, but since KD doesn't I'm guessing that some others might not either.

There goes the giant database idea.

[kathykd2005]

You can keep a database using other factors aside from Social Security numbers. I wouldn't want to give mine out, either, but being able to search for individuals in a large database may be beneficial in some ways. Not that I think it will ever happen--it most likely won't.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

You can keep a database using other factors aside from Social Security numbers. I wouldn't want to give mine out, either, but being able to search for individuals in a large database may be beneficial in some ways. Not that I think it will ever happen--it most likely won't.

I agree, and the database, if it existed, would be very handy, maybe too handy for marketing and advertising possibilities.

But I think groups could do more to watch our for this even without a database.