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04-18-2007, 10:18 PM
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Aren't they all over the top? How are they anything other than mere sensationalism?
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04-18-2007, 11:45 PM
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04-18-2007, 11:57 PM
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04-19-2007, 08:31 AM
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I'm not in journalism, so if anyone is, please correct me if I'm wrong - but everyone (regardless if it's MSN, NBC, CNN, whoever) wants to have the "big story" of the moment for a few reasons: they want to build credibility (as being "THE source for breaking news", which of course equals more viewers which leads to other benefits for them.
(remember when Anna Nicole/Britney's shaved head was on every channel and newspaper?)
They aren't gonna say, "Oh, well, we're CNN, and NBC already has this story because the package was sent to them, so let's post pictures or something else instead."
My point is, they are there to inform us (among other things) which is what their doing. Granted, the news coverage is a bit much - but I think it's because it's such a huge story that has touched so many people.
I definitely agree that it is a lot because like someone else already said "it might make some other nutjob want to go out and top it".
Anyway, just wanted to throw that out there.
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04-19-2007, 08:47 AM
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I'm not in journalism, so if anyone is, please correct me if I'm wrong - but everyone (regardless if it's MSN, NBC, CNN, whoever) wants to have the "big story" of the moment for a few reasons: they want to build credibility (as being "THE source for breaking news", which of course equals more viewers which leads to other benefits for them.
(remember when Anna Nicole/Britney's shaved head was on every channel and newspaper?)
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There is nothing like a national tragedy to wipe out the previous news stories ANNA NICOLE WHO, BRITTANY WHO AND (ducks head), DELTA ZETA WHO?
I do fear for the parents - they will never have a full nights rest. They will be bothered in public, people will come to their home and I am sure the press will sit on their lawn for a month. I only heard one thing about them, they own or work in a dry cleaner and they made no statement to the press. Is this all we know? (stayed away from TV due to illness this week but hubby turned on TV at night)
I received word from one of our NPC delegates to wear orange and maroon Friday in memory of those who have been lost, those who are wounded and all the families effected by this horrible tragedy. Since we did not have a chapter at VT, we are amongst the lucky.
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04-19-2007, 09:40 AM
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I am a weekly columnist. My column next week will obviously have to be about the tragedy at VT. I discuss the killings at Univ. of Texas in 1966 and the Killeen Luby's massacre of 1996. I never mention the killers, and I make a point at the end that the endless glorification of these animals is wrong. You have to report the news, but you do not have to make media stars of the killers. I end my column with a list of the names we should remember - the victims at UT, Luby's and Va Tech. They are the ones who should be remembered - the unborn child and the woman killed trying to help her stricken fiance in Austin, the couple who had just celebrated their 47th anniversary in Killeen, the Eagle Scout who kept his cool, the professor who sacrificed his life for his students, the Pi Phi who was injured as she went to help her sister -this should be the focus.
And while I hope the parents of this latest killer are safe, I do think it fair to ask - How did they not know their son was in such an awful mental state? I realize the university was in a horrible situation - I know they cannot necessarily contact the parents (when I taught college I could not even give parents their children's grades because of privacy issues) - but I can't help but wonder - as, in all fairness I'm sure they are now - how could they have missed this?
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04-19-2007, 09:49 AM
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And while I hope the parents of this latest killer are safe, I do think it fair to ask - How did they not know their son was in such an awful mental state? I realize the university was in a horrible situation - I know they cannot necessarily contact the parents (when I taught college I could not even give parents their children's grades because of privacy issues) - but I can't help but wonder - as, in all fairness I'm sure they are now - how could they have missed this?
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If they were working 24/7 they might not have had the chance.
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04-19-2007, 10:03 AM
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If they were working 24/7 they might not have had the chance.
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True - plus if he only went home for holidays or the occassional weekend, its easy "fake it" and act like everything is peachy keen when in fact, you're tormented inside.
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04-19-2007, 10:01 AM
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And while I hope the parents of this latest killer are safe, I do think it fair to ask - How did they not know their son was in such an awful mental state? I realize the university was in a horrible situation - I know they cannot necessarily contact the parents (when I taught college I could not even give parents their children's grades because of privacy issues) - but I can't help but wonder - as, in all fairness I'm sure they are now - how could they have missed this?
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While I'm sure I'm in the minority and I'm expecting people to blow a gasket with this comment, I don't believe it is fair of anyone to put any blame on the parents, of any school shooter.
Parents do the best they can. I'm not a parent but I do remember being in high school and in college and I didn't tell my parents an awful lot of what was going on in my life. That is growing up and exerting your own independence. Plus, who is to say that he didn't go home and "put on an act" for his parents?
To blame parents of what their children did is completely assinine. Not that I'm trying to justify what this person did, because I'm not, but I truly believe that he wasn't mentally stable and just broke. Everyone has a breaking point but 99% of the population WON'T pick up a gun and start killing people.
From what I've heard classmates and roomates and professors knew something was up with him, but nothing was done. That really just needs to change in our society. We can't keep brushing things off that we notice and say "that's not my problem".
Like I said, I'm sure tons of people will disagree with me, and that's totally fine, but I'm not attacking anyone so please don't attack me and my opinion.
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04-19-2007, 01:57 PM
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From what I've heard classmates and roomates and professors knew something was up with him, but nothing was done. That really just needs to change in our society. We can't keep brushing things off that we notice and say "that's not my problem".
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Basically because of comments like this (sorry to just point yours out), I have just basically had to to turn the tv off, stop reading comments, etc.
It is always just so frustrating to me to hear people talk on a subject or make comments on something that they do not know about. Honestly because this is my school it feels personal...
People saying why didn't the school do anything in those two hours? They did, it is so easy to say this when you know the outcome. They thought it was someone else. Obviously no one who even came into to contact with him afterwards realized something was up (i.e. the postal worker)
Why did everyone ignore this kid or not talk to him? People tried. I think honestly everyone who has lived with him has seemed very tolarable to him (from their interviews on tv) despite his very wierd nature more than most people could say.
Why did no one do anything about this? They did, there is only so much you can do based on the law. He was put voluntarily in a mental institution. Police were called (they can only do so much unless he actually does something criminal).
Sorry this is just makes me mad to hear these comments. I know people need to question things, I always agree with that, but sometimes you need to listen to the facts first.
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04-19-2007, 10:06 AM
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And while I hope the parents of this latest killer are safe, I do think it fair to ask - How did they not know their son was in such an awful mental state? I realize the university was in a horrible situation - I know they cannot necessarily contact the parents (when I taught college I could not even give parents their children's grades because of privacy issues) - but I can't help but wonder - as, in all fairness I'm sure they are now - how could they have missed this?
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Sometimes parents see only what they want to see about their kid, especially when their child has left home and they only see them a few weeks out of the year.
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04-19-2007, 11:19 AM
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But wasn't he committed to a mental health facility, where they said he was a threat to himself? That is kind of hard to ignore even if you are working a great deal.
I don't blame the parents - anymore than I do the school - but I do hope that one thing to come out of all of this is a discussion on how to prevent this kind of thing. Parents have to look for warning signs - schools have to discuss what to do with a student with these kind of issues. I remember earlier in the year a discussion of schools who made depressed students withdraw, so this is not a new issue.
When I was teaching college I had a student who would sit in the front row making a slitting motion to his throat whilst grinning manically at me. I've dealt with this problem on a VERY personal basis. He was also following me after class. I had my brother the police officer come and escort me a few times, and the behavior stopped. But the school was powerless to do anything.
I don't know the answer, but I know it is a discussion that needs to happen.
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Dirty Laundry by Don Henley
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something, something I can use
People love it when you lose, they love dirty laundry
Well, I could've been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em all around
We got the bubbleheaded bleach-blonde, comes on at 5
She can tell you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry
Can we film the operation? Is the head dead yet?
You know the boys in the newsroom got a running bet
Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry
You don't really need to find out what's going on
You don't really want to know just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone, keep your dirty laundry
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up, kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they shit , kick 'em all around
Dirty little secrets, dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers in everybody's pie
Love to cut you down to size, we love dirty laundry
We can do the innuendo, we can dance and sing
When it's said and done, we haven't told you a thing
We all know that crap is king, give us dirty laundry
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Media!
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Gah. What is wrong with the media??? Showing pictures and stuff is one thing...but the front page of ALL the sites is 100% uncalled for and just plain out wrong. 
