The Term African American

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

Say's who?

You conveniently avoided my questions, here they are again...

Please, you tell me, is there a such thing as a limitation on concepts of any nature? In this mattere race. If so, was what I discussed outside of the limit? Let me remind you. Again, outside the limit of race, concepts of race.

Is there no such thing as layers within concepts? If so, was what I discussed not one of the layers?

Is there only one degree to a concept? If so, I guess your degree was the one and the only one.

You are going to say I was discussing titles but lets make it clear. I was discussing that black people in America are having challenges when it comes to what their specific title is. Does that not fit into the scheme of this discussion?

Concept: Thought, Notion, Idea

I did not say or suggest that you were off topic of the discussion, I explained that your interpretation of my statements was incorrect. You interpreted me as saying that people should accept the label society gives them, which is not what I was saying. Generally when any social theorist refers to concepts of race, they are referring to an understanding of the existence of race and what race means in itself, not individuals' racial categorizations of themselves. So when you referred to my point as letting others title me, you were referring to my point inaccurately.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

I did not say or suggest that you were off topic of the discussion, I explained that your interpretation of my statements was incorrect. You interpreted me as saying that people should accept the label society gives them, which is not what I was saying. Generally when any social theorist refers to concepts of race, they are referring to an understanding of the existence of race and what race means in itself, not individuals' racial categorizations of themselves. So when you referred to my point as letting others title me, you were referring to my point inaccurately.

You made it a point to say that everyone in this topic was talking about Social Construction, if they were, that was not what this topic was totally about, this topic is about race period especially for black people and anything black people have to say concerning this topic is no more or less relevant than your idea of social construction. When you made it a point to say that everyone was talking about Social Construction, you eluded that I was the only one who was not. That is why my interpretation of what you said was that, I was off topic. I believe you know that but you are rather good at twisting things to look good in your direction.

This is what the initial poster of this topic said...

"I think the term african-american is not a good term for people who are of african descent,my family are from jamaica and since they live in the u.s. they should be called jamaican american or afro caribbean american.i call myself jamaican american,african american should be for people how were born in africa not america.


tell me what you think..."

If this person is not talking about titles or the ethnic labels black people have, I don't know what he or she is talking about. However, I woudln't say your idea as well as other peoples idea on Social Construction does not fall into the concept of what the initial poster is talking about but hey, what i wass talking about also falls into the scheme/context of this discussion as well.


Again, Attempting to Redirect:


What do people in this discussion think about British settlers who by their own will, settled in South Africa? They were and still are racist against the black people who were already there, that being the black indigenous South Africans.

Those British people for the purposes of political reasons, as well as for many other underlining reasons, they are fighting for the right to become as South African as the real South Africans. They are fighting to be referred to as South Africans. This very same thing happened to the Aboriginals of Australia.

How does the above relate to this idea of "social constructs, social construction?"

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

You made it a point to say that everyone in this topic was talking about Social Construction, if they were, that was not what this topic was totally about, this topic is about race period especially for black people and anything black people have to say concerning this topic is no more or less relevant than your idea of social construction. When you made it a point to say that everyone was talking about Social Construction, you eluded that I was the only one who was not. That is why my interpretation of what you said was that, I was off topic. I believe you know that but you are rather good at twisting things to look good in your direction.

No, I said "other posters", not "every poster". And there was no implication in any of my posts that you were the only one doing anything.

Originally Posted by Sista

This is what the initial poster of this topic said...

"I think the term african-american is not a good term for people who are of african descent,my family are from jamaica and since they live in the u.s. they should be called jamaican american or afro caribbean american.i call myself jamaican american,african american should be for people how were born in africa not america.


tell me what you think..."

If this person is not talking about titles or the ethnic labels black people have, I don't know what he or she is talking about. However, I woudln't say your idea as well as other peoples idea on Social Construction does not fall into the concept of what the initial poster is talking about but hey, what i wass talking about also falls into the scheme/context of this discussion as well.

Again, I did not say your statements were inappropriate for this thread, I explained that your responses to me included incorrect interpretations of my statements.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

No, I said "other posters", not "every poster". And there was no implication in any of my posts that you were the only one doing anything..

Originally Posted by laylo

We are talking about the basic ways in which people understand racial categories and the fact that such things as racial categories were invented

Who is we?

Originally Posted by laylo

Again, I did not say your statements were inappropriate for this thread, I explained that your responses to me included incorrect interpretations of my statements.

Okay, gotcha, gotcha. My impression of you is that you did think that what I was discussing was out of bounds with the idea of social construction but you won't admit to that so let's just drop it and move on. I'm not going to change and from the looks of it neither are you.


Desperately attempting to redirect:

What do people in this discussion think about British settlers who by their own will, settled in South Africa? They were and still are racist against the black people who were already there, that being the black indigenous South Africans.

Those British people for the purposes of political reasons, as well as for many other underlining reasons, they are fighting for the right to become as South African as the real South Africans. They are fighting to be referred to as South Africans. This very same thing happened to the Aboriginals of Australia.

How does the above relate to this idea of "social constructs, social construction?"

[laylo]

Originally Posted by Sista

Who is we?

"We" was me, DSTRen13, and DSTCHAOS.

Originally Posted by Sista

Okay, gotcha, gotcha. My impression of you is that you did think that what I was discussing was out of bounds with the idea of social construction but you won't admit to that so let's just drop it and move on. I'm not going to change and from the looks of it neither are you.

I've "admitted" several times that that's what I think. However I did not indicate that the social construction of race was the only topic to be discussed in this thread.

Best wishes on GC.

[7thSonofOsiris]

Originally Posted by laylo

"We" was me, DSTRen13, and DSTCHAOS.





I've "admitted" several times that that's what I think. However I did not indicate that the social construction of race was the only topic to be discussed in this thread.

Best wishes on GC.

Laylo,

Why are ya'll playing with this clown? She clearly knows nothing, and she has no idea what she's talking about. I read all of her post and realized that I was wasting my time in doing so. She doesn't know the difference between African Americans, South Afrikkaners, or true Africans. Why would she? Clearly, she has never been expected to know the differences in these nomenclatures that define nothing more than geographical states of existence, and the ethnigroups that live according to the placings of these names. She's probably not a full blown racist, but moreso, a closet one. As a matter of fact, Sista is probably a dude, faking to be female. Don't waste your time Laylo.

7th

[DSTCHAOS]

Exactly.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by 7thSonofOsiris

Laylo,

Why are ya'll playing with this clown? She clearly knows nothing, and she has no idea what she's talking about..... As a matter of fact, Sista is probably a dude, faking to be female. Don't waste your time Laylo.

7th

Sometimes the topic may get the person involved or it is just the troll. I know I let a troll or two get under my skin before. Laylo knows that person is not worth the time.

[Sista]

Originally Posted by laylo

"We" was me, DSTRen13, and DSTCHAOS..

That's what I thought it meant.

Originally Posted by laylo

" I've "admitted" several times that that's what I think. However I did not indicate that the social construction of race was the only topic to be discussed in this thread.

Best wishes on GC.

Then you would not have to make it a point to point out what you and someone else was discussing. Particularly, when it was you who first approached me after I made a contribution to this topic which you so happened to disagree with. I was not the one who initially approached you with a rebuttal and then turned around and made it a point to mention that me and others were talking about such and such.

Now, best wishes to you