Results of 2006 APO Convention.

[gamma_girl52]

It is true that MANY of the Gamma Sig chapters went inactive during that time but there were other factors to that as well.

Times are different. I have no doubt that our chapters will continue to do well...and I'll take it further and say that we'll continue to have new GSS colonies form on campuses in which there's an active, co-ed APO chapter (we've had several lately). Again, it will come down to where ever that person feels they have a good fit at.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by gamma_girl52

It is true that MANY of the Gamma Sig chapters went inactive during that time but there were other factors to that as well.

Times are different. I have no doubt that our chapters will continue to do well...and I'll take it further and say that we'll continue to have new GSS colonies form on campuses in which there's an active, co-ed APO chapter (we've had several lately). Again, it will come down to where ever that person feels they have a good fit at.

Agreed, many other factors. I'm not sure whether it will have
a noticable effect, but I don't think it will be a help.

[naraht]

This is from an *OLD* list I put together in 1999 based on 1999 data. I
know which chapters are active for both organizations have changed somewhat.

According to the Gamma Sigma Sigma national web page there are currently
47 active chapters of GSS. I've gone through them to see what the status
is of Alpha Phi Omega there. The results are 20 are at schools with co-ed
Alpha Phi Omega, 14 with all-male chapters of Alpha Phi Omega (about half
of the All-male chapters of APO), 8 are at schools where the APO chapter
is inactive and 5 are at schools that have never had APO.

(The order here is by GSS district, so it doesn't match an APO order)
Active GSS at schools with an active co-ed APO chapter (20)
U Wisc-Stout
Southeast Missouri St U
Southwest Missouri St
Penn St
Edinboro U of PA
Indiana U of PA
St. Francis C of PA
Shippensburg State U of PA (recently co-ed)
Slippery Rock U of PA
Stephen F Austin St U (TX)
Dillard U (LA)
U of GA
U of FL
Western KY U
UTenn-Knoxville
East Carolina U
U of North Carolina(Campus not mentioned on GSS web page)
St. Peters College (NJ)
Lebanon Valley College (PA)

Active GSS at schools with active all-male APO chapters (14)
U of Minn-Duluth
Duquesne U(PA)
U of Maine-Orono
Texas Wesleyan U.
Prairie View A&M U.(TX)
Texas Southern U.
Florida A&M U.
Samford U.(AL)
Carson Newman C. (TN)
Clemson U.(SC)
Austin Peay State U.(TN)
Drexel U. (PA)
U of Delaware
Moravian C. (PA)

Active GSS at schools with inactive APO chapters (9)
U of Wisc - La Crosse
U of St. Thomas(MN)
Marquette(WI)
Lynchburg C.(VA)
Utica C (NY)
Southwest Texas State U.
U of Alabama
Bethune Cookman C.(FL)
La Salle(PA)

Active GSS at schools that have never had an APO chapter(4)
SUNY-Postdam (works with the APO chapter at Clarkson U.)
North Georgia College.
Georgia College and State University
Bucks County CC
Temple U. -Ambler Campus

[33girl]

And at some of those schools...GSS functions almost like an NPC sorority. I'm not going to get into that too far, but my point is that if that's the case no one is really thinking of GSS and APO "competing" for members. The girls that join GSS wouldn't even think about APO, and vice versa.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by 33girl

And at some of those schools...GSS functions almost like an NPC sorority. I'm not going to get into that too far, but my point is that if that's the case no one is really thinking of GSS and APO "competing" for members. The girls that join GSS wouldn't even think about APO, and vice versa.

Yeah, culture of the chapter and the school make quite a difference.
I would expect the effect would be less at the HBCUs and
but more at the public schools.

[Empress0105]

i think it's foolish to force co-ed-ness on any organization. How do you force girls to rush your chapter if for decades it's just been known that only males do A Phi Que at XYZ School. I think it should still be a matter of choice...and as long as those chapters do theri service and don't kill anybody, then it shouldn't matter....

perfect example....TBS and KKY are both co-ed...but MOST chapters aren't and aren't forced to make that choice...


and i also don't think that that whol e"convince your regional director" thing is going to work....how do you convince someone who doesn't understand or like the all male culture of your org, that even if you stand in a female dorm and beg chicks to pledge your stuff...they won't becaue it's known you are to be a gamma sig if ou wnna be in the 25/52 circle.....


this topic really pisses me off...so i'm going to my corner

[summer_gphib]

Our chapter had some boys in it. Our school also had a co-ed APO. :-)

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Empress0105

i think it's foolish to force co-ed-ness on any organization. How do you force girls to rush your chapter if for decades it's just been known that only males do A Phi Que at XYZ School. I think it should still be a matter of choice...and as long as those chapters do theri service and don't kill anybody, then it shouldn't matter....

perfect example....TBS and KKY are both co-ed...but MOST chapters aren't and aren't forced to make that choice...


and i also don't think that that whol e"convince your regional director" thing is going to work....how do you convince someone who doesn't understand or like the all male culture of your org, that even if you stand in a female dorm and beg chicks to pledge your stuff...they won't becaue it's known you are to be a gamma sig if ou wnna be in the 25/52 circle.....


this topic really pisses me off...so i'm going to my corner

There's really too much in your post to go over word-for-word..... so let me just say please, allow APO to handle this one. I was at the convention when this decision was made and trust me, we got it.

[gamma_girl52]

Originally Posted by Empress0105

i think it's foolish to force co-ed-ness on any organization. How do you force girls to rush your chapter if for decades it's just been known that only males do A Phi Que at XYZ School. I think it should still be a matter of choice...and as long as those chapters do theri service and don't kill anybody, then it shouldn't matter....

perfect example....TBS and KKY are both co-ed...but MOST chapters aren't and aren't forced to make that choice...


and i also don't think that that whol e"convince your regional director" thing is going to work....how do you convince someone who doesn't understand or like the all male culture of your org, that even if you stand in a female dorm and beg chicks to pledge your stuff...they won't becaue it's known you are to be a gamma sig if ou wnna be in the 25/52 circle.....


this topic really pisses me off...so i'm going to my corner

Woo woo woo...LOL

I feel you soror. And I agree...to a point...but also we as a sorority don't want to be that "option" just because they are trying to be in "25/52" (and I have to put that in quotes, because it's not as deep as some people make it to be). What I'm saying is that I certainly DO NOT want females to pursue Gamma Sigma Sigma, because either a) they are trying to be a part of that 25/52 circle or b) because they are being "made" to join GSS because the APO chapter is trying to become all-male. I'm just gonna put it out there. It has happened before with certain colonies/chapters. And trust me, those are the colonies that are doomed to fail from the start. Gamma Sig is for those who believe in our cause and are going to do some REAL WORK and REAL SERVICE, for US. It is not for those who don't aspire to do any less.

Of course I have my own personal opinion on the decision Alpha Phi Omega made at their last Convention, because I have had the opportunity to speak candidly with those members that I know. I personally don't find it to be fair, but out of respect that is all I think I can say.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Empress0105

i think it's foolish to force co-ed-ness on any organization. How do you force girls to rush your chapter if for decades it's just been known that only males do A Phi Que at XYZ School. I think it should still be a matter of choice...and as long as those chapters do theri service and don't kill anybody, then it shouldn't matter....

perfect example....TBS and KKY are both co-ed...but MOST chapters aren't and aren't forced to make that choice...


and i also don't think that that whol e"convince your regional director" thing is going to work....how do you convince someone who doesn't understand or like the all male culture of your org, that even if you stand in a female dorm and beg chicks to pledge your stuff...they won't becaue it's known you are to be a gamma sig if ou wnna be in the 25/52 circle.....


this topic really pisses me off...so i'm going to my corner

OK, couple of points.

For the purposes of these comments, I'm going to split the country with a line running west from Richmond, VA to Denver, CO*. The number of all-male chapters at co-ed schools North of that line in each region are one or two (Maine-Orono & Maine-Machias in Region I, Drexel in Region II, Duquesne in Region V, and Minnesota-Duluth in Region IX), so the Regional Director is going to deal with them much more one on one.

South of that line, the Regional Directors are *much* more aware of the cultures. Region IV has Auburn, Clemson, Samford, FL A&M, Tuskegee, & Fort Valley. Region VII has Lamar, Texas Southern, and Grambling. These regions have also had a number of other all-male chapters that were recently active (or underground).

As for "Showing the Regional Director", I think that there are a couple of levels here.
1) Changing descriptions in places like school catalogs, school websites and chapter websites to show that the chapter is for both men and women. For example: (http://www.dusers.drexel.edu/~aphio/who%20are%20we.htm) should be changed to show the correct purpose (college students rather than college men and women)
2) Actions during rush. Is the chapter welcoming to those, both men and women, who stop by the rush table...
3) Being willing to accept those who are interested of both genders.

It does get fuzzy. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if at an HBCU like Fort Valley, the chapter didn't end up with a female brother for five years, even if they were doing everything reasonable to implement the change. (And no, standing in the female dorms begging chicks to join doesn't count as reasonable)

Charters can only be revoked for membership issues by the National Convention, so it won't be a one person decision on the part of the Regional Director. At a vote of the National Convention both the chapter and the RD would speak.

YiLFS
Randolph Finder

*Note, going beyond Denver doesn't matter, there hasn't been an all-male chapter west of Denver since the early 1980s.