SMU student found dead at SAE House

[Reality Check1]

It seems to me the Macallan25 believes he knows a great deal about many things, but it is more likely that he knows nothing about everything.

Your flippant attitude about the circumstances surrounding the Stiles death are completely disgusting. What type of real life knowledge do you have anyway? More than likely you aren't working and everything you have gotten in your life is because of the golden spoon that your parents gave to you.

The members of the SAE Fraternity at SMU should feel awful, because their culture contributed to this young man's death. Did they force him to do drugs? No, but don't tell me that they didn't make access to these things easier for the young man?

Macallan-it must be so easy for you to sit there and pop off time after time about everything. Take a look at yourself in the mirror. This whole incident goes in stark contrast to the brotherhood that a fraternity is supposed to represent.

[33girl]

Macallan is flippant at times, but now certainly isn't one of them. I suggest you reread the thread and pay attention to the context.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by Reality Check1

The members of the SAE Fraternity at SMU should feel awful, because their culture contributed to this young man's death. Did they force him to do drugs? No, but don't tell me that they didn't make access to these things easier for the young man?

We don't know this -- at least I don't.

My guess is that the college culture in general is as much or more of a factor as SAE's.

IF it is a chapter culture, though, I'll say that it should be closed.

[Tom Earp]

Remeber, no matter what GLO it concerns, it concerns all of us as Greek Members.

There is no flip comments as it saddens every member of the Greek Social World.

If someone does do what was supposedly done when it came to drugs then it should be an important part of the Chapter to try to correct it. I do not care what Campus it is on or how strong the GLO is, a young man died and that is what is the most important thing.

I was accused by an SAE for being hard hearted and that must have been why I railed at a local TV station about running and over long item at the top of the 10:00 news about SAE and a hazing situation and being removed from Campus.

If a member of any GLO dies, we must ask why. Then ask why nothing was done to aid the member before this happened.

[tunatartare]

Tom, to you this man may just be a statistic or a Risk Management example, but to others he was a friend and brother. It is a tragedy that he died and I think that you should let the SAE's mourn in peace and deal with it in their own way and not drag Risk Management issues into it. You would not want people to treat an LXA death in this manner.

[JamesBond007]

Originally Posted by tunatartare

Tom, to you this man may just be a statistic or a Risk Management example, but to others he was a friend and brother. It is a tragedy that he died and I think that you should let the SAE's mourn in peace and deal with it in their own way and not drag Risk Management issues into it. You would not want people to treat an LXA death in this manner.

If you're having trouble with this fellow, perhaps I can be of some assistance? Maybe, make him disappear?

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by JamesBond007

If you're having trouble with this fellow, perhaps I can be of some assistance? Maybe, make him disappear?

That would be amazing.

[Elephant Walk]

The school's fraternities are "certainly not known for problems of this type," he said.

I don't know about that quote.

The amount of cocaine done at Southern Methodist, especially among greek life, is damn near legendary.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by tunatartare

Tom, to you this man may just be a statistic or a Risk Management example, but to others he was a friend and brother. It is a tragedy that he died and I think that you should let the SAE's mourn in peace and deal with it in their own way and not drag Risk Management issues into it. You would not want people to treat an LXA death in this manner.

You spout words, but there was no belittlement intended.

If you have read any of my posts about the death of a Greek Member, I do not care what GLO they are from as it saddens all of us especially me. While not from My GLO, He was a member of a society that we profess and back.

But, them when someone mentions drug usage at certain schools, I wonder who is keeping an eye on their fellow Brothers and Sisters. If this is to become a bigger problem, yes there is a R M problem. If it was a member of LXA, I would mourn and wonder why did it happen?

[PeppyGPhiB]

I have no idea what the greek culture is like at SMU in regards to drug use, but what I find saddest about this situation is that this young man obviously had a serious addiction (three narcotics in his system, plus alcohol?!) yet I'm wondering whether his brothers knew about and/or tried to help him? If this was a unique case in the fraternity, I would think the brothers would have noticed something was up and tried to help. If it is not an isolated case, well, that's just scary and I hope the chapter and national steps in to make sure the whole chapter gets help.

[Elephant Walk]

Hardly an addiction. Three drugs in a night is usually just the start.

In moderation, of course.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Reality Check1

It seems to me the Macallan25 believes he knows a great deal about many things, but it is more likely that he knows nothing about everything.

The members of the SAE Fraternity at SMU should feel awful, because their culture contributed to this young man's death. Did they force him to do drugs? No, but don't tell me that they didn't make access to these things easier for the young man?

Macallan-it must be so easy for you to sit there and pop off time after time about everything. Take a look at yourself in the mirror. This whole incident goes in stark contrast to the brotherhood that a fraternity is supposed to represent.

Drink bleach.

Fraternity culture? That makes about as much sense as you claiming heterosexuality. Say a guy from Compton or other drug-ridden place somehow by god's saving grace makes it into a fraternity in the South. He was already doing plenty of drugs before hand, and then he gets into the fraternity, does more drugs, and dies. Considering the fraternity may be moderate for their campus in terms of drug use, is it fraternity culture or previous experience which led to the man's death? The drug incident has nothing to do with "brotherhood". My own personal drug use never stemmed from the fraternity, it stemmed from me growing up in a wealthy neighborhood where my friends and I had money to spend on expensive drugs.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Drink bleach.

Fraternity culture? That makes about as much sense as you claiming heterosexuality. Say a guy from Compton or other drug-ridden place somehow by god's saving grace makes it into a fraternity in the South. He was already doing plenty of drugs before hand, and then he gets into the fraternity, does more drugs, and dies. Considering the fraternity may be moderate for their campus in terms of drug use, is it fraternity culture or previous experience which led to the man's death? The drug incident has nothing to do with "brotherhood". My own personal drug use never stemmed from the fraternity, it stemmed from me growing up in a wealthy neighborhood where my friends and I had money to spend on expensive drugs.

I agree with you Elephant Walk. Fraternity culture?? Try culture. Try society. Try living and life experience/up-bringing.
Was there alcohol and drug use in my chapter? Yes. Did I drink? Yes and learned from that experience. Did I do drugs? I "tasted" one night and learned from that experience that I had no use for them. Also the fact that all of the people I was close to, both a school and at home, did not do any kind of drug outside of alcohol also helped.

Others, I know took a different path for what ever reason or reasons. And that could happen within any living, social group or context.

[jon1856]

A few more links:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...-sportstop-hed

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/n...LES_S1.article
Which includes this statement:

Jim Caswell, SMU's vice president for student affairs, said Wednesday "the prayers and concerns" of school officials, staff members and students "go toward the Stiles family at this difficult time."
"It's a tragic situation that we're dealing with," Caswell said. "This student was a very popular fellow."
Campus police have been investigating Stiles' death, along with the university's fraternity system, Caswell said. Caswell stressed the Sigma Alpha Epsilon house "was not known as a drug house in any way." The school's fraternities are "certainly not known for problems of this type," he said.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Reality Check1

It seems to me the Macallan25 believes he knows a great deal about many things, but it is more likely that he knows nothing about everything.

Your flippant attitude about the circumstances surrounding the Stiles death are completely disgusting. What type of real life knowledge do you have anyway? More than likely you aren't working and everything you have gotten in your life is because of the golden spoon that your parents gave to you.

The members of the SAE Fraternity at SMU should feel awful, because their culture contributed to this young man's death. Did they force him to do drugs? No, but don't tell me that they didn't make access to these things easier for the young man?

Macallan-it must be so easy for you to sit there and pop off time after time about everything. Take a look at yourself in the mirror. This whole incident goes in stark contrast to the brotherhood that a fraternity is supposed to represent.

Flippant attitude? Shut your fucking mouth because you have no clue what you are talking about. I called more than a dozen members of that chapter..talked to them, offered my heartfelt sorrows.........I even drove up there and attended the vigil. So you can quit with whatever it is you are trying to do. I knew more info on this situation than anyone on this board did 10 minutes after they discovered the body. Perhaps you should re-read the thread and enlighten yourself, because right now you sound like an ignorant jackass.

Explain to me what my "real life" knowledge has anything to do with this guy dying, or knowing how he died, and under what circumstances. Yes, I come from a very priveleged family.......that doesn't mean that I don't know about the way things work or that I am stuck in some bubble, shut off from the outside world.

Who the fuck are you to accuse the members of SMU SAE of helping the guy gain quick access to blow and fentanyl? Do you know all of them? Have you seen it personally? No, thats right. You're full of shit. Admit it.

I'm sorry that me "popping off" at a couple of members of this site for blatantly disregarding this kids death and turning it into some bash SAE Risk Management lecture thread gets your panties in a wad.

I'm done. Also, you're an idiot.