SMU student found dead at SAE House

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by macallan25

They won't close SAE at SMU.......too powerful...........besides, it was a completely isolated incodent.

Ohio State was one of our larger and older chapters with some very influential alumni.

That didn't make any difference.

And it shouldn't.

It was due to its history and alumni support -- including a member of our Arch Chapter (board of directors) -- that allowed it to recolonize so quickly, though.

You're right, we don't know the whole story, but if this kind of behavior is a norm at the chapter, and it isn't closed, then SAE isn't as good of an organization as I think it is.

[shinerbock]

Or we could let people take responsibilities for their actions. Why not close SMU down as well? They obviously allow these activities to go on. If the chapter supplied the blow, maybe that would be a rational decision. Also, if a chapter has a policy against drugs and decides to kick a member out, then thats fine also. Nationals coming in and closing down shop because some people use drugs and an accident happened is stupid. Yeah yeah, insurance, liability. I just hate that fraternities are viewed as some overseeing parent responsible for its members. Sure, our bonds and activities go beyond that of a club, but thats how it should be viewed. If I die of drinking, should the college republicans be held responsible? These are grown men. Well, they would be if people would stop treating them like children who need to be coddled.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

These are grown men.

Maybe. But maybe not grown enough to follow the rules and obey the law.

The chapter knows what is expected of it.

IF it was aware of what was going on, it may deserve to be closed.

Sorry, but that's the way society works.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Ohio State was one of our larger and older chapters with some very influential alumni.

That didn't make any difference.

And it shouldn't.

It was due to its history and alumni support -- including a member of our Arch Chapter (board of directors) -- that allowed it to recolonize so quickly, though.

You're right, we don't know the whole story, but if this kind of behavior is a norm at the chapter, and it isn't closed, then SAE isn't as good of an organization as I think it is.

Delt, if you don't think drugs and alcohol are a part of a significant number of chapters then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. They are everywhere. I don't think it is fair to make your mind up about an organization because a chapter has guys that do drugs.

In this case......its SMU. That school is insanely wealthy.......and so are its fraternity members. Lots of partying and lots of drugs. This is known by everyone.