Starting A Sorority

Drolefille · #1 11-29-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Theo Fam

actually sororities are for women or for men????

Sororities are for women
Fraternities are generally for men
Some women's organizations are called fraternities because they were started before the term "sorority" was used.
If the word co-ed is in front of either sorority or fraternity it means they accept both men and women.

blueangel · #2 11-29-2006, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Some women's organizations are called fraternities because they were started before the term "sorority" was used.
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Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

33girl · #3 11-30-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups???

I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

blueangel · #4 11-30-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups???

I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

No, I'm not speaking on behalf of any other organizations. Please do not put words in my mouth. I was merely explaining that ZTA's founders chose to refer to it as a fraternity for the above mentioned reasons.

Here is your link. I hope you enjoy the taste of crow. Your failed dig at me was quite uncalled for and makes you look idiotic.

"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not as a sorority. The Founders intended Zeta Tau Alpha be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called "sororities". Zeta Tau Alpha has no "brother" fraternity...."

http://www.southwestern.edu/student-...a/history.html

33girl · #5 11-30-2006, 10:54 AM

I'm not putting words in your mouth - you are the one who posted that to begin with. What other "sororities" do you mean, if you don't mean ones such as I mentioned?

And considering the multitudinous grammar screwups on that page you linked to, I'm not convinced. National link (or again, a competent ZTA) please.

blueangel · #6 11-30-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

Considering the multitudinous grammar screwups on that page, I'm not convinced. National link please.

Ah, so they are not "competent Zetas?"

Well, then, how about the Zetas at the College of NJ? Are they "competent?"
"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish
the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called sororities. "
http://www.ztaiotagamma.com/ourhistory.html

or.. perhaps Michigan State University? Do you think the Zetas there are incompetent?
http://www.msu.edu/~zta/History.htm

or maybe Robert Morris University would be good enough for you?
http://www.geocities.com/rmuzeta/history.html

How is the crow tasting?

jubilance1922 · #7 11-30-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

Ah, so they are not "competent Zetas?"

Well, then, how about the Zetas at the College of NJ? Are they "competent?"
"Zeta Tau Alpha is known as a fraternity, not a sorority. The founders intended ZTA be designated a "fraternity" to distinguish
the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities, called sororities. "
http://www.ztaiotagamma.com/ourhistory.html

or.. perhaps Michigan State University? Do you think the Zetas there are incompetent?
http://www.msu.edu/~zta/History.htm

or maybe Robert Morris University would be good enough for you?
http://www.geocities.com/rmuzeta/history.html

How is the crow tasting?

I think its great that several chapters have noted that information, but its been my experience that often chapter websites include incorrect information. Not saying that this information isn't correct, but for most people, they tend to trust things that are on national websites.

LPIDelta · #8 11-30-2006, 11:13 AM

Ummm...yeah. BA--We all know collegians may get things wrong from time to time....and things like that do just get copied and pasted. In my own group there are websites that say things that are not true....like Bette Midler being a member (she is not) because the web has helped proliferate the error. So just because its on a chapter website, does not mean that its true.

Anyway....I didn't mean to stick my nose in. Continue.

PeppyGPhiB · #9 11-30-2006, 03:56 PM

Blueangel, it is possible those chapters have "borrowed" from each other some incorrect information. Gamma Phi Beta has no "brother" fraternity, no affiliation with any men's organization whatsoever, and it never did. The term "sorority" was coined especially for Gamma Phi Beta because the term "fraternity" was not accurate. Since we are a sisterhood, not brotherhood, a professor came up with the term sorority to more accurately reflect our organization. Some women's organizations established before us chose to keep "fraternity" in their name, probably because of tradition (though I could be totally wrong about this as the reason), and some decided to call themselves fraternities even after our founding.

The term "sorority" has nothing to do with affiliation to a men's organization.

SmartBlondeGPhB · #10 11-30-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

So you're saying Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa and the other groups called sororities were organized in connection with men's groups???

I'm sure that's news to their members.

Not to mention...ZTA was founded at an all female school.

Sorry, but I call bullshit on this one, unless a competent ZTA can explain it a little better.

I call bullshit as well and I find it quite offensive as well. Seeing how the word was coined for us.

misbehaving · #11 11-29-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Sororities are for women
Fraternities are generally for men
Some women's organizations are called fraternities because they were started before the term "sorority" was used.
If the word co-ed is in front of either sorority or fraternity it means they accept both men and women.

My fraternity exists for women eventhough we let guys live there.

Tom Earp · #12 11-29-2006, 04:16 PM

It is supposed to be a sorority but you let guys live there?

Is it just a rental place and you use it as your point of reference?

You need to have some goals.
1. Are you looking to affiliate with a National.
2. Are you just looking to start a local.

If a National, then, you need to find out several things.
1. What and who are the groups on campus.
2. What is the size of the school and will another be able to expand there.
3. What is the % of Greeks to school population.
4. Are those groups meeting recruitment numbers and will the school be willing

to add another.
5. Do you have enough people who are interested.
6. Is a National wanting to expand there.

If you can answer all of these it can go a long way in getting you started.

Starting a local, you need to do all of the above, but have Pin, new associate pin, coat of arms, constitution, and maybe a ritual to be laid out.

The very best of luck, it can and will be hard, but it can be done.

Drolefille · #13 11-29-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

Or, in the case of Zeta Tau Alpha-- the founders designated ZTA a "fraternity" to distinguish the organization from the sisterhoods organized in connection with men's fraternities at the time, called "sororities."

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Originally Posted by misbehaving

My fraternity exists for women eventhough we let guys live there.

I'm not really sure I understand what you mean by this.

I was giving the Greek guy a mini crash course in the terminology. Not catching every exception to every rule.

blueangel · #14 11-29-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm not really sure I understand what you mean by this.

I was giving the Greek guy a mini crash course in the terminology. Not catching every exception to every rule.

I mean that your statement was incomplete.

Drolefille · #15 11-30-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blueangel

I mean that your statement was incomplete.

I didn't understand misbehaving's statement.

And I wasn't making a complete list. I apologize to any other ZTAs I may have offended, but the guy's Greek. Not American. I'm sure he cares a lot about every exception to the rule.