Racial Conflict

[UGAalum94]

Guys,

Of course you guys can pick anyone you want to give membership to. Of course you guys use your own standards for what you are looking for in members.
It is probably true that the majority of Black students at your campuses don't fit the mold you describe.

I'm realizing more and more that you are right that if your attitudes in real life come across as clearly as they do here that the top notch Black guys by your own standards probably don't want to join your groups.

My point remains though that your policies end up being racist. That bothers me, and I'd want to change it. Of course it may not bother you.

I think to really integrate the NPC/IFC system, the top tiers need to buy in. It seems like a great opportunity to take a clearly correct, moral action.

When you look back on the stuggle to integrate the southern universities we're talking about, do you find yourself sympathizing with the George Wallaces, Lester Maddoxs, Orval Faubus? Because it seems to me that that is the historic side your on. Sure they were faced with a lot of people who wanted integration, and you would have to do it yourself based on the idea that it was the morally right thing to do.

It also probably doesn't seem as important to anyone else that you exclude Blacks, but it should seem, I think, important to everyone who participates in a segregated system.

I can't make you do anything. I know that, but it seems to me based on what little I know about fraternities, that the idea isn't only to have a social club for a certain kind of guy. It's to assemble the absolute best guys for the strength of the group so that they can have a social club AND carry out the ideals of the group. In many cases, it seems that the goals of the group involve leadership and service in the outside community.

When a group or a system conducts itself in such a way that it looks bad to the outside world, it weakens its influence outside the group or system.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Guys,

Of course you guys can pick anyone you want to give membership to. Of course you guys use your own standards for what you are looking for in members.
It is probably true that the majority of Black students at your campuses don't fit the mold you describe.

I'm realizing more and more that you are right that if your attitudes in real life come across as clearly as they do here that the top notch Black guys by your own standards probably don't want to join your groups.

My point remains though that your policies end up being racist. That bothers me, and I'd want to change it. Of course it may not bother you.

I think to really integrate the NPC/IFC system, the top tiers need to buy in. It seems like a great opportunity to take a clearly correct, moral action.

When you look back on the stuggle to integrate the southern universities we're talking about, do you find yourself sympathizing with the George Wallaces, Lester Maddoxs, Orval Faubus? Because it seems to me that that is the historic side your on. Sure they were faced with a lot of people who wanted integration, and you would have to do it yourself based on the idea that it was the morally right thing to do.

It also probably doesn't seem as important to anyone else that you exclude Blacks, but it should seem, I think, important to everyone who participates in a segregated system.

I can't make you do anything. I know that, but it seems to me based on what little I know about fraternities, that the idea isn't only to have a social club for a certain kind of guy. It's to assemble the absolute best guys for the strength of the group so that they can have a social club AND carry out the ideals of the group. In many cases, it seems that the goals of the group involve leadership and service in the outside community.

When a group or a system conducts itself in such a way that it looks bad to the outside world, it weakens it's influence outside the group or system.

I don't see any BGLOs with white members........so let's say they are racist too.....just to make things fair.

We aren't racist......at all.
Racism: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
Racism: 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Last time I checked, we didn't hate anyone, nor did we exclude blacks because we think we are superior to them. I think you need to understand the magnitude of that word before you call us or our practices racist.....again.

Look......from what I have seen, black guys down here are very content with being in their own fraternities and associating with other black guys. What is so wrong with that? The amount of black people that exress an interest in joining an IFC fraternity is borderline 0.

[UGAalum94]

I think a double standard does exists for NPHC groups and NPC/IFC groups. While I'm not usually a fan of double standards, when one group of organizations has race at the center of its mission and another group of organizations doesn't, it seems like pretending that the racial policies of the groups should be the same is a little silly.

If you want to continue saying that having a policy that basically says, " we only take people exactly like us, and we happen to be White" doesn't suggest that you think White people are better than other groups, I've got nothing else to say.

[macallan25]

We don't have a "racial policy". Thanks. Don't be an idiot. I never said anything about a policy. Stop putting words in my mouth.

You are right, race isn't a central mission of our fraternity or chapter.....making our chapter the best we possibly can is, however. It is our job to do that. We take people who are a good, solid fits for our chapter that share common interests and ideals. I never said, nor do I think, that white people are better than other groups. We are not going to actively pursue a group of people that show no interest in joining our fraternity for the sake of diversifying our house.....that is moronic and not the least bit conducive to our chapter. I don't care if they are black, white, green, yellow.....whatever......its not going to happen. If you abhor the fact that many Southern chapters have only white people so much.....then go join the NAACP and preach to someone of a higher power. I'm sure Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would love you. Until then......quit with your never ending rant......while you are behind.