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Old 11-17-2006, 09:46 AM
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I just checked Webster's online and they define fiance as "a man engaged to be married," so it would seem to be defined as only the male half of the relationship. I see both sides of the argument. Balancing the possible confusion against those whom our brothers care about is difficult at best.

I think if the husband of a brother really wants to wear our badge he should commit himself to helping the chapter in order to be an honorary initiate.
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Old 11-17-2006, 01:19 PM
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Interesting question.

It's all in the spelling and how many "e"s are in the word. My dictionary defines fiance as "a man engaged to be married", and fiancee as "a woman engaged to be married".

Our fraternity is already gender based in that we don't initiate women. And as Grits and Ottor pointed out, the Code is also gender based in allowing only female non-members to wear the badge (mothers, not fathers; sisters, not brothers). Therefore, limiting the wearing of our badge to female fiancees (and not male fiances) would be consistent with, and no more discriminatory than, the policies we've had all along.

The reasons should be obvious. A man wearing our badge is assumed to be an initiated member while a woman is not.

Furthermore, how would it look if the significant other of a gay brother was already a member of another fraternity? Would he wear his Lambda Chi badge a little lower than, say, his TKE badge? Oh, the horrors!

So in my opinion the answer is no.

As for legalities, I've never heard of any lawsuits brought by fathers or biological brothers just because they weren't allowed to wear our badge while their wives or sisters were.

Notice that all these statements refer to wearing the badge as opposed to simply having one. Many badges are in the possession of male non-members (such as sons and grandsons of deceased Lambda Chis, antiques dealers, and collectors), although they don't wear them.

As Ottor pointed out, there's no "Badge Enforcement Division", so no one is going to break down your door for giving a badge to a loved one as a token of affection. In my opinion it should be acceptable for a father, brother, or fiance to be presented with a badge, but improper for any of them to actually wear it. They could, however, wear a friendship pin, which would be a good alternative when attending events.

Does this make any sense?

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Old 11-17-2006, 03:51 PM
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So...

Can a person in a homosexual relationship with a brother of LXA wear a pin or marker according to LXA guidelines?
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:31 PM
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Jono, what you posted makes perfect sense.

gammazeta, I am not so sure, but this seemed to be covered above.

But as mentioned if two Brothers in a relationship they can then wear their Badges.
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:23 PM
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It has nothing to do with being gay.

All our rulings point to one intent: We don't want uninitiated guys wearing the Lambda Chi Alpha badge, period.

Making an exception for gay men would, in effect, result in discrimination against straight men.

So my feeling is, if you want to marry a guy, go right ahead. It's very nice. But he should not wear our badge.
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Old 11-17-2006, 05:56 PM
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I just find this very interesting.

Although it may not be accepted by all, would the RULES of LXA allow for a homosexual brothers "husband" or S.O. to wear a pin?

What would be acceptable in a homosexual relationship to allow a S.O, etc., to show the world that he is in a relationship with a LXA?

Obviously it is ok for a wife or girlfriend to display their association, what could a homosexual partner of a brother do?
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Old 11-17-2006, 06:32 PM
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Nothing, it is not in the rules of LXA as I understand them.

If I am wrong then someone please explain them to me.
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Old 11-17-2006, 11:43 PM
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I just find this very interesting.

Although it may not be accepted by all, would the RULES of LXA allow for a homosexual brothers "husband" or S.O. to wear a pin?

What would be acceptable in a homosexual relationship to allow a S.O, etc., to show the world that he is in a relationship with a LXA?

Obviously it is ok for a wife or girlfriend to display their association, what could a homosexual partner of a brother do?
Did you not just read everthing that has been posted above? I believe that all of your questions have been answered quite clearly. Stop trying to stir up something. I sure there are more important things people in relationships straight or gay have to deal with, I doubt wearing a badge is one of them.
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