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[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

What does John have to say about your wanting to DENY a registered member the right to post, and not only that, but a member with a legitimate question/issue?

Secondly, although I would prefer to keep the forum, I don't support a filtered forum. If you're going to play all-knowing ,Omnipotent forum dictator, then we should not have a seperate forum for AI. GC will just have to welcome questions about/regarding AI on other forums, possibly a forum where you are not a moderator.

I don't really see how what PT is proposing is any different than how the D9 moderate their own forums.

If someone goes to their forum and asks membership questions, the OP is sent a message by the mod, the post is deleted, and that's the end of the story.

You don't see sorority shopping posts in their forums

And as far as I can tell, John doesn't have any issues with the way their forums are modded.

Even with the proposed solution, I don't see a need for the AI forum for the reasons stated already by so many others.

There really shouldn't be a "story" ... like adpiucf mentioned, there should not be a "Journey" or "road to AI". AI membership is extended, not inquired about.

[texas*princess]

Just to kind of add to what's already been said... if the forum is going to operate the way PT suggests *might* happen, there needs to be a crystal clear definition of what is OK to ask and what is not.

For example:

"What do I wear?" = good?

and I found this:

"My question is both of the e-mailed responses that I have got, say that I have to be sponsored....but how does this happen if you don't know someone who is already in?" = bad - this is the point of so many posters already.

[Adelphean]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

I don't really see how what PT is proposing is any different than how the D9 moderate their own forums.

If someone goes to their forum and asks membership questions, the OP is sent a message by the mod, the post is deleted, and that's the end of the story.

And as far as I can tell, John doesn't have any issues with the way their forums are modded.

AI membership is extended, not inquired about.

I am not a D9 member. As such, I do not read their forums.

As far as John and the forums are concerned, the D9 forums are not 'all inclusive' forums, they are org specific. What's posted on their board is essentially their business. The AI forum is GreekChat-wide business. John may or may not have a problem with this. I certainly don't think he runs GC with his own money so only a "select few" can post what *they* deem as acceptable.

Obviously your last statement can't be completely true, as many who are AIs inquired a/b becoming an AI, they were not just 'extended' a bid out of nowhere.

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

As far as John and the forums are concerned, the D9 forums are not 'all inclusive' forums, they are org specific. What's posted on their board is essentially their business. The AI forum is GreekChat-wide business.

But AI is an org specific concern. That is why so many people are against an AI forum. There is no one answer to an AI question as each 26 NPC groups have different ways of going about it.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

I am not a D9 member. As such, I do not read their forums.

As far as John and the forums are concerned, the D9 forums are not 'all inclusive' forums, they are org specific. What's posted on their board is essentially their business. The AI forum is GreekChat-wide business. John may or may not have a problem with this. I certainly don't think he runs GC with his own money so only a "select few" can post what *they* deem as acceptable.

Obviously your last statement can't be completely true, as many who are AIs inquired a/b becoming an AI, they were not just 'extended' a bid out of nowhere.

FWIW, many questions regarding D9 membership have come up in "all inclusive" forums such as Greek Life, and those posters are told the same thing - membership is not discussed. And the thread becomes closed/locked/whatever.

And really, these are public forums. Non-ADPis go into our forum all the time and post. They might even just (*gasp*) read the threads there. I would hope that all sorority-business is NOT discussed on GC regardless if they are in the GLO-specific forums or not. That can be discussed in other, secure, areas created by HQ.

It's not even about being extended a bid "out of nowhere". Many women are APPROACHED every year because they somehow know and/or have some sort of ties with GLOs. If you're shopping around, that is "out of nowhere" because you have no clue where to start or who to talk to - all you know is "OMG - I want to be a ABC, or DEF, or GH!! Who do I email to get the process started!"

Originally Posted by Adelphean

Obviously your last statement can't be completely true, as many who are AIs inquired a/b becoming an AI, they were not just 'extended' a bid out of nowhere.

PNAMs are not extended bids. Bids are what you get during recruitment. PNAMs are invited for membership.

However, your statement isn't true because I know of at least on GCer who didn't even know about AI when she was approached by members of a sorority she knew at a professional level who thought she'd be an asset to the AA and organization. So yes, it was kinda out of nowhere. She didn't have to inquire about AI. She didn't have to sell herself to this organization because they already knew who she was. THEY APPROACHED HER.

From my personal experience, the AIs my chapter has initiated were mothers of initiates, university officials, and women our members knew from their community involvement. No one's ever approached us, we've always approached them.

And regarding the D9 forums...I think they're org. specific to an extent. They discuss topics that aren't always D9 specific, and invite non-D9ers to join in as long as the forum rules are adhered to.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by OTW

And regarding the D9 forums...I don't think they're org. specific at all. They discuss topics that aren't always D9 specific, and invite non-D9ers to join in as long as the forum rules are adhered to.

That poster wouldn't know any of that because she has been blocked by the invisible padlock that we have on our forums.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

I am not a D9 member. As such, I do not read their forums.

Funny. I thought all the forums on GC were available to be read and posted in by the public, as long as people are capable of "going along with the program."

Originally Posted by Adelphean

As far as John and the forums are concerned, the D9 forums are not 'all inclusive' forums, they are org specific. What's posted on their board is essentially their business. The AI forum is GreekChat-wide business. John may or may not have a problem with this. I certainly don't think he runs GC with his own money so only a "select few" can post what *they* deem as acceptable.

Our forums are org-specific only for certain topics but, the point that everyone's making is that, there is a general membership inquiry rule that the NPHC goes by on GC. That is what people are asking for the Greekchat-wide AI forum to adhere by.

[GDIfly]

Originally Posted by Adelphean

I am not a D9 member. As such, I do not read their forums.

As far as John and the forums are concerned, the D9 forums are not 'all inclusive' forums, they are org specific. What's posted on their board is essentially their business. The AI forum is GreekChat-wide business. John may or may not have a problem with this. I certainly don't think he runs GC with his own money so only a "select few" can post what *they* deem as acceptable.

This has been thoroughly addressed but is still so ridiculous that I want to respond as well.

1)Org. specific forums are not JUST for members of that org. You may choose not to read other groups' forums, but acting like it's your duty or obligation to be ignorant of how they're run is just preposterous.

Because AI [as it is discussed in this forum] is an exclusively NPC concern, the vast majority of posters in this thread have been NPC women. Yet somehow, they still manage to know how the NPHC sororities handle membership inquiries in their forums. How perplexing!

2) News flash for you: This is an internet message board. John may not want a specific few to only post what they deem is acceptable, but I do believe he wants a moderated forum rather than a trainwreck. In the case of AI, more stringent moderation is needed, and that means locking down threads where women try to 'pursue' AI. Moderating a forum that has been known to cause controversy and 40-page-long threads debating the validity and necessity of its existence is hardly stripping people of their God-given right to free speech. It's the internet. It's not an appropriate venue for people to pursue AI [whether or not such a venue even exists is a different matter]. Therefore, moderating it by locking down such threads is merely removing inappropriate content, like spam, pornographic, or nonsense threads.