Something that drives me nuts...

Tom Earp · #1 10-13-2006, 05:46 PM

Many if not all propose Non Alcholic=Dry Houses ie GLOs, but there are codicles?) about how to go about it.

Being not in the House, but not at an outside place.

Does not mean they do not imbibe.

macallan25 · #2 10-13-2006, 06:02 PM

^Many, if not all?? Where did you get that from? There are countless numbers of fraternities that have houses which permit alcohol.

Tom Earp · #3 10-13-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

^Many, if not all?? Where did you get that from? There are countless numbers of fraternities that have houses which permit alcohol.

Interesting that you posted that?

Does Your GLO say anywhere that Alcohol is allowed in Your Buildings? (Houses).

Or do they say other wise?

If they say otherwise, then post the link.

Thank You!

macallan25 · #4 10-13-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Interesting that you posted that?

Does Your GLO say anywhere that Alcohol is allowed in Your Buildings? (Houses).

Or do they say other wise?

If they say otherwise, then post the link.

Thank You!

Tom, you don't know what you are talking about.

Thanks.

There are very few fraternities that have nation wide stipulations about alcohol in the house. And even then, I belive there are clauses which allow them to have alcohol in the house. For example, TSteven listed Phi Gamma Delta and Theta Chi......however, I can think of a number of campuses where it is perfectly fine for them to have alcohol in the house. Theta Chi at Alabama and FIJI down here in Austin are two that come to mind off the top of my head.

I don't need to provide a link.....I kmow I am right, and that you...are not. But, since you are so interested in links.....how about you provide us all with a source claiming that "many, if not all" fraternities have a nation-wide no alcohol in the house policy.

macallan25 · #5 10-13-2006, 07:25 PM

....on a side note.....I thought alcohol policies for fraternity houses were determined by the University?? Oklahoma used to be wet.....but went dry two years ago. It was a university decision......didn't have anything to do with nationals.

KSigkid · #6 10-13-2006, 07:31 PM

I think, in URI's case, it has to do with reputation. The school has a rep as a party school, and by saying that Greek orgs are alcohol free, they're trying to reverse that old tradition.

I agree, though, that we have to be careful of our wording. We shouldn't make ourselves out to be something that we're obviously not.

lauralaylin · #7 10-14-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think, in URI's case, it has to do with reputation. The school has a rep as a party school, and by saying that Greek orgs are alcohol free, they're trying to reverse that old tradition.

I agree, though, that we have to be careful of our wording. We shouldn't make ourselves out to be something that we're obviously not.

Yes, we were voted top party school by some poll maybe three times in the early 90s, and Greeks suffered for it. About half of the fraternities are gone now, all but one on the main street of campus being kicked off (so frat row is no longer), the last finally building a new house in Greek Circle. The campus also got rid of all bars too. They didn't truly crack down on the drinking at the fraternity houses until after I graduated in 2001 though. Before that if you were caught you were in trouble, but everyone did it at the beginning of the year as part of rush. Now their rush is totally dry, although I'm not sure if it's become more formal in the process or anything.

TSteven · #8 10-13-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

....on a side note.....I thought alcohol policies for fraternity houses were determined by the University?? Oklahoma used to be wet.....but went dry two years ago. It was a university decision......didn't have anything to do with nationals.

Same is true for The University of Kentucky. It was a decision made by the UK Administration.

An interesting side note, UK's alcohol ban was not because of any issues by UK Greeks (real or even perceived), but due to what was happening on other campuses and with non Greeks on campus. Including some of the UK sports teams.

Elephant Walk · #9 10-13-2006, 08:21 PM

For Phi Gam, if you have a certain chapter GPA level it is okay to have alcohol in the house, just a note. And I know for a fact that there is at least one Phi Delt house that is hardly alcohol free and they have bad GPA's.

TSteven · #10 10-13-2006, 07:00 PM

Tom, mccallan25 is right.

This is the list of IFC/NIC fraternities that have some sort of fraternity wide alcohol-free housing. This list may be out of date and there may be more fraternities to add.

Alpha Kappa Lambda
Delta Sigma Phi
Delta Upsilon
FarmHouse
Kappa Delta Phi
Phi Delta Theta
Phi Gamma Delta
Phi Kappa Sigma
Phi Kappa Theta
Sigma Nu
Theta Chi

To be clear, other fraternities may have chapters that are alcohol free. And heck, the majority of their chapters might be alcohol free. However, as far as a fraternity-wide policy, there aren't that many. And just to add, it doesn't mean that ever chapter of the fraternities listed above abide by the policy. Also, some of the fraternities may have a clause that allows a chapter to opt out of the policy. I seem to recall that was possible for one (maybe more?) of the fraternities. I just can't remember which specific fraternity.

Kevin · #11 10-13-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

Tom, mccallan25 is right.

This is the list of IFC/NIC fraternities that have some sort of fraternity wide alcohol-free housing. This list may be out of date and there may be more fraternities to add.

Alpha Kappa Lambda
Delta Sigma Phi
Delta Upsilon
FarmHouse
Kappa Delta Phi
Phi Delta Theta
Phi Gamma Delta
Phi Kappa Sigma
Phi Kappa Theta
Sigma Nu
Theta Chi

To be clear, other fraternities may have chapters that are alcohol free. And heck, the majority of their chapters might be alcohol free. However, as far as a fraternity-wide policy, there aren't that many. And just to add, it doesn't mean that ever chapter of the fraternities listed above abide by the policy. Also, some of the fraternities may have a clause that allows a chapter to opt out of the policy. I seem to recall that was possible for one (maybe more?) of the fraternities. I just can't remember which specific fraternity.

We specifically voted down the alcohol free housing proposal about 6-7 years ago. It's not a no-strings-attached type of situation. Chapters that make grades are not restricted by IHQ on alcohol though (aside from the normal risk management policy).