Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[texas*princess]

GDIfly - Not every single NPC sorority has the same policy on AI. Some sororities will let sorority shoppers know that AI does not work for them unless they are the one to approach the woman. Some won't let them know and just won't return the calls.

Some sororities don't mind that women call on them. Sometimes it depends on the alum. chapter. Once again, all of their own information on why they may or may not initiate a person is theirs and theirs alone.

The stories on GC are not representative of the rest of the other however-many million women there are in the US. Just because you have 20 (or whatever the number is) women here who became initated via AI, does not mean it's a common thing.

Many feel that GC has created a marketplace for AI. And that is not how the programs were intended.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

GDIfly - Not every single NPC sorority has the same policy on AI. Some sororities will let sorority shoppers know that AI does not work for them unless they are the one to approach the woman. Some won't let them know and just won't return the calls.

Some sororities don't mind that women call on them. Sometimes it depends on the alum. chapter. Once again, all of their own information on why they may or may not initiate a person is theirs and theirs alone.

The stories on GC are not representative of the rest of the other however-many million women there are in the US. Just because you have 20 (or whatever the number is) women here who became initated via AI, does not mean it's a common thing.

Many feel that GC has created a marketplace for AI. And that is not how the programs were intended.

Don't forget to add that some meet women on the internet and get help/sponsored that way so they can shop, but it will end up looking like the PNAM was sought after by a member.

GDIfly.... just because we are members of organizations, it doesn't mean we don't have our own opinions. Maybe some of these orgs are ok with "shopping", and the members don't like it. There are business meetings at conventions for a reason.

[PreppyTriDelta]

To be honest, I am quite upset about those who sorority shop, especially those who wind up receiving invitations somewhere after pledging love for A, then B, then C, then D and finally E. As for the comparisons to rush, it is utterly ridiculous. They are two different animals and should be treated as such.

However, I am very supportive of AI in general. We have terrific sisters who are honor initiates, and we are a better organization having them in the sisterhood. I do not know how they came to be sisters, so I cannot really make any judgments on the being invited versus being invited after seeking out debate. I am just thankful for these terrific sisters.

As for this AI forum, the word trainwreck comes to mind. I like the NPHC way of dealing with it and think it is a good resolution. If they cannot find out the information for themselves or are not invited independently, I cannot see how they have the requisite maturity to become a sister anyway.

Maybe I am just being naive to this, as I am new on this board, but this is how I see it at this particular point in time.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

GDIfly.... just because we are members of organizations, it doesn't mean we don't have our own opinions. Maybe some of these orgs are ok with "shopping", and the members don't like it. There are business meetings at conventions for a reason.

Word, word, wordy mc wordlestein word.


Also, there seems to be a fairly large divide between GCers who have been here for a while and newer members. All we can say to the newbies is, believe us when we say how bad some of the AI threads got and that the response of completely banning AI discussion is NOT unwarranted.

It's kind of like how jon1856 (not to pick on you, dude) thought KABillyMac was trying to stir up things when he sarcastically said we should all call each other names or something. Those of us who have been here for a long time KNOW KABM's heart is pure (tee hee) and he wasn't trying to do any such thing - he was just being goofy. Jon doesn't know KABM from a hole in the ground cause he's fairly new, so he didn't know any better.

If you don't believe me, search on all the posts of some of the people who have voted "con" for the AI forum - and see what their opinions and posts were like 3 years ago.

[GDIfly]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Don't forget to add that some meet women on the internet and get help/sponsored that way so they can shop, but it will end up looking like the PNAM was sought after by a member.

Wow, that is a problem I hadn't considered. It's very surprising that a sister would misrepresent to or even for any reason recommend to her sorority a woman who contacted her online about AI. Shady.

Also, thanks for your post AChiOSnap, it helped me understand your point of view quite a bit.

Originally Posted by adpiucf

I don't want an AI Forum b/c AI members are sisters and don't need to feel like they need a separate section. There isn't any such thing as a "road to AI"-- when you are offered membership, post in the appropriate NPC Forum to be welcomed as a new sister. We'll celebrate everything to come, including initiation, together.

I can't find them presently, but I recall a few posts, I believe by ariesrising and a few other Alumnae Initiates, saying that they wanted to retain a forum to discuss their 'roads to membership' after the fact and share in the common experience of initating as a non-collegian. So I think that you saying now that AI members don't need to feel in favor of a separate section is kind of disrespecting these women and their feelings on the issue.

Obviously I'm not as well apprised of the history of this forum as most of the posters here, and I know this has been suggested in this thread many times, but it REALLY seems like following the same route as the NPHC forums (immediately quashing any threads requesting help with AI) would help to maintain a place where Alumnae Initiates (who have already been given an initiation date or been initiated) can discuss their common bond, but without the recruitment/sorority shopping/indiscreet trainwreck it's been in the past. There also seem to be a lot of people in this thread who are passionate enough about AI and active/well respected enough members of the forum that they would make excellent moderators of a forum that were run in this manner.

[blueangel]

....it REALLY seems like following the same route as the NPHC forums (immediately quashing any threads requesting help with AI) would help to maintain a place where Alumnae Initiates (who have already been given an initiation date or been initiated) can discuss their common bond, but without the recruitment/sorority shopping/indiscreet trainwreck it's been in the past. There also seem to be a lot of people in this thread who are passionate enough about AI and active/well respected enough members of the forum that they would make excellent moderators of a forum that were run in this manner.

GDIfly, I think that is a wonderful solution.

[PenguinTrax]

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

I really like this idea.

[Jen]

Originally Posted by OTW

I really like this idea.

I like it too.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

PT, I think while it's a good compromise, it still leaves everything out there.

For example, there will be people who still come around and read all the threads and then post something like I've mentioned before along the lines of "I've been reading all these threads for the past 3 months and now I'm finally going to post. I'm so excited that AI is an option because I didn't even know it existed before and I didn't rush in college and now I want to join my sorority home. I've contacted 10 NPC groups and will name them after the constellations in the sky" or whatever.

It still being there still drives that whole market-place which is not the intent of AI.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

PT, I think while it's a good compromise, it still leaves everything out there.

For example, there will be people who still come around and read all the threads and then post something like I've mentioned before along the lines of "I've been reading all these threads for the past 3 months and now I'm finally going to post. I'm so excited that AI is an option because I didn't even know it existed before and I didn't rush in college and now I want to join my sorority home. I've contacted 10 NPC groups and will name them after the constellations in the sky" or whatever.

It still being there still drives that whole market-place which is not the intent of AI.

But if the "rules" are changed for the forum and the rules specifically state that you may not post your "story" until after you have received the invite or have been initiated, then the moderators would have it within their authority to delete the thread, correct?

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

PT or Carnation,

Any word on this proposed solution (or ANY solution, for that matter)? It would be refreshing to know that either:

1. The AI forum will continue in its current state
2. The AI forum will continue with specific guidelines
3. The AI forum will cease to continue

I don't think this thread is going to get any better, as it has just gotten worse and worse with the passing of time. I don't know that any new "material" is being discussed; it's just the same stuff over and over again.

People who are in support of the AI forum will continue to be supportive of it. Those who are opposed will continue to be opposed. It doesn't appear to matter what either side says to the other - minds have already been made up.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

PT or Carnation,

Any word on this proposed solution (or ANY solution, for that matter)? It would be refreshing to know that either:

1. The AI forum will continue in its current state
2. The AI forum will continue with specific guidelines
3. The AI forum will cease to continue

I don't think this thread is going to get any better, as it has just gotten worse and worse with the passing of time. I don't know that any new "material" is being discussed; it's just the same stuff over and over again.

People who are in support of the AI forum will continue to be supportive of it. Those who are opposed will continue to be opposed. It doesn't appear to matter what either side says to the other - minds have already been made up.

Yeah, who's sig has the "fighting on GC is like herding cats" line? No one's mind is changing over this. (not that the thread should be closed, just that we should stop paying attention to it)

[ReachTheLimit]

I don't think people that are Anti-AI should be posting in the AI forum at all.

If they cannot contribute positively to the discussion and only want to argue and discourage others and argue on who and who shouldn't be seeking AI, when the HQ and local AA makes those decisions, then they shoudn't be allowed to post on the forum.

The AI bashing needs to stop, because that is all the AI Forum has turned out to be.

[ASUADPi]

A part of me thinks it's nice for the PNAI to see the information, but on the other hand they might think the process is super duper easy, when in fact it isn't. The AI's on GC can vouch for that.

People are always going to want information, and I haven't read all 36 pages of this thread so I apologize in advance if I am repeating someone, but maybe the rules of the AI forum should be different than other forums.

I'm not sure how to phrase this so bear with me, like maybe have the thread where the sororities that do AI is listed but take from their official site (if their site says anything about AI). Then say "this is directly from XYZ's official website). Like ours talks about AI and encouraging "proactive recruitment" but then it states that for more information the MEMBER needs to go to the members only section. To me, which I'm probably looking at it differently than someone else might, that says "members are the ones who know the information about AI, the members are the ones who approach the PNAI". Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

One of the propsals currently under consideration would allow for alumnae initiates (approved, slated for- or have already been initiated) to discuss their journey/process, but would not allow the posting of those seeking more info. Those messages would be removed and the poster referred to the forum TOS/Info message.

I also think this is a good idea.


Question, What is D9? I honestly don't know what this is but it was mentioned in like the first couple of pages of the thread.