Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[UGAalum94]

AGDee, maybe your points about National policy and unfit applicants self destructing are why I don't see why having an AI forum as a problem. Telling people how to go about the process doesn't mean they'll get through the process.

Tippiechick, recruitment/ rush includes very public parties as well as private membership selection. I would happily tell people about the skits my group did or tell them about our house tour. I would happily tell them where to sign up for rush and what the general structure was. I would even tell them about how many girls get placed through formal recruitment and make all the data about choices and participation available. I would tell them all about my experience going through rush. None of that is membership selection; all of it is recruitment information. Ritual membership selection is a very important part of recruitment, and that I wouldn't share, but it's a limited part of recruitment and actually of very little practical use to anyone who didn't participate in it.

Information exists about AI that isn't membership selection. There's nothing wrong with that info being on the forum.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Information exists about AI that isn't membership selection. There's nothing wrong with that info being on the forum.

Many I/HQ websites have taken AI info off their websites because they feel that that kind of information is for members only. Why should this info be readily available on GC for PNAMs if our own I/HQs don't want that on their official websites?

[UGAalum94]

OTW,

Are you sure that's WHY they took it off? I can see that having it on the National page could create problems with the flow of the process, rather than wanting to shut the public information down. If it's suppose to be a chapter driven process, but the info. is at the national level, PNAM are probably going to screw up and make the contacts at the National level.

Okay, though, for the groups who don't want public info out there, let them give the "AI for us is a secret process" answer and let the the other groups have the AI forum.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Okay, though, for the groups who don't want public info out there, let them give the "AI for us is a secret process" answer and let the the other groups have the AI forum.

And, what groups would you put into the category of not wanting the info to be out there?

[UGAalum94]

I don't know enough about different group policies about AI to say. I assume that members of those groups would know, and they would act accordingly.

Just as it seems rare in the rush forums for people to talk about how their groups do membership selection, I would think it would be rare for members to talk about the particulars of AI membership selection on Greek Chat.

It doesn't seem to me that Greek Chat is about information that is only available on Greek Chat. Nor does it seem to me that it's about trying to get super secret insider information. It seems to me that people look for advice and support from people who know more about the process than they do.

The only reason why I wouldn't expect to see AI forums on Greek Chat is that it seems relatively rare. But if people want to ask, and others want to answer, and their national policies don't prohibit answers, what's the problem?

[UGAalum94]

It's surprising to me that folks seem to be making the case that if it's not on the National website it shouldn't be on Greek Chat. Is that the policy you want to see generally in place here?

(I don't think we ought to be advising people to do stuff in CONFLICT with national policy, but the standard of only discuss what's on the website is going to be really boring.)

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

It's surprising to me that folks seem to be making the case that if it's not on the National website it shouldn't be on Greek Chat. Is that the policy you want to see generally in place here?

(I don't think we ought to be advising people to do stuff in CONFLICT with national policy, but the standard of only discuss what's on the website is going to be really boring.)

I think it's safe to say that if you only find it on the "Members Only" portion of the web site, that it shouldn't be shared with non-members.

[Taualumna]

Some (well, mine, anyway) groups announce new AIs in their quarterly newsletters/magazines. The newsletter/magazine isn't part of ritual and many groups have it available online for just about anyone to read. This means that anyone can potentially find out about AI. And if a PNAM is interested, she might just contact the group herself. Different people find their groups differently. While I don't agree with helping people via the Internet if we aren't ever going to meet them, I don't think people should be criticized because they CONTACTED a group on their own rather than have been APPROACHED.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

It's surprising to me that folks seem to be making the case that if it's not on the National website it shouldn't be on Greek Chat. Is that the policy you want to see generally in place here?

When it comes to what our groups do and don't do HELL YES policy should NOT be on Greekchat. It is no one else's business but the women in THAT group.

If it's not something that my IH supports, I certainly don't want it showing up on an internet chat board (and I'm SURE they don't) saying the contrary.

Why would you EVER think that something not on your IH's website should be advertised on a chat board?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

I don't know enough about different group policies about AI to say. I assume that members of those groups would know, and they would act accordingly.

Just as it seems rare in the rush forums for people to talk about how their groups do membership selection, I would think it would be rare for members to talk about the particulars of AI membership selection on Greek Chat.

It doesn't seem to me that Greek Chat is about information that is only available on Greek Chat. Nor does it seem to me that it's about trying to get super secret insider information. It seems to me that people look for advice and support from people who know more about the process than they do.

The only reason why I wouldn't expect to see AI forums on Greek Chat is that it seems relatively rare. But if people want to ask, and others want to answer, and their national policies don't prohibit answers, what's the problem?

You answered your own question.

If an 18 year old asks you about rushing, whether it's a specific chapter or not, you can tell her to go through formal rush or COB. Because you pretty much know that every single collegiate chapter of every single NPC group recruits and bids collegians in some manner.

If a 35 year old asks you how to AI- you don't have a CLUE what any sorority other than AGD does as far as AI is concerned.

[tinydancer]

I am an AI member, so I have mixed feelings about the issue of posting info on GC. When I started out, the info here was rather brief and there weren't too many of us PNAMs. What info was there was informative without being too revealing. PMs to individual members of GLOs were encouraged, rather than putting all the stuff out in the open.

It was helpful the way it was. Somewhere along the line, it got out of hand. Now it's gotten to be a hot mess. I am sorry about that, because the facts I got from individual members were honest and helpful.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

You answered your own question.

If an 18 year old asks you about rushing, whether it's a specific chapter or not, you can tell her to go through formal rush or COB. Because you pretty much know that every single collegiate chapter of every single NPC group recruits and bids collegians in some manner.

If a 35 year old asks you how to AI- you don't have a CLUE what any sorority other than AGD does as far as AI is concerned.

Right, I've mentioned before that I don't think I would respond to questions about AI. (I could, however, let her know that it exists for my group.) I'm not advocating random people speculate about AI for other groups, nor have I said anything in this thread that would indicate that I thought that was a good idea.

I just don't think having a sub-forum about the topic is harmful, and I think it's a little hypocritical for some folks who speak pretty freely on a variety of topics to want to shut down other people's conversations.

If you can point out cases where confidential policies were revealed, the moderators would take them down, I believe. If you think a crazy person is trying to get info about AIing your group, you can contact your IHQ and alert them. But taking away a sub-forum because you don't like the threads is lame.

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

And, what groups would you put into the category of not wanting the info to be out there?

And, of the groups who wouldn't mind having the information on GC, who here is qualified to speak for them?

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

OTW,

Are you sure that's WHY they took it off? I can see that having it on the National page could create problems with the flow of the process, rather than wanting to shut the public information down. If it's suppose to be a chapter driven process, but the info. is at the national level, PNAM are probably going to screw up and make the contacts at the National level.

Okay, though, for the groups who don't want public info out there, let them give the "AI for us is a secret process" answer and let the the other groups have the AI forum.

For one sorority, yes. And this is coming from an IO's mouth.

While I don't know the reasons of the other sororities, the info just shouldn't be here because it's not official HQ content. A lot of people think that the PNAM should go through the proper channels at HQ rather than risk getting incorrect and unofficial information here.

In light of what AI's turned into in recent years, out of curiosity, does ANY HQ website still have public information regarding AI on their website?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by OTW

... the info just shouldn't be here because it's not official HQ content. A lot of people think that the PNAM should go through the proper channels at HQ rather than risk getting incorrect and unofficial information here.

I know that it has already been stated, but I just want to again emphasize that this is why the D9 mods close / delete any post concerning the membership process, whether it is on the undergrad or grad (alumni) level.