Your thoughts on AI: discussion goes here.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

I an anti an AI sub forum, for all of the reasons KDOnline stated above.

That's exactly it. SOME people try to make all of us to be "anti AI" when in reality I don't know anyone who's totally against AI, but I think all of us are against the AI FORUM.

There's a distinction between being anti-forum and anti-AI.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by kddani

That's exactly it. SOME people try to make all of us to be "anti AI" when in reality I don't know anyone who's totally against AI, but I think all of us are against the AI FORUM.

There's a distinction between being anti-forum and anti-AI.

I agree 100%. Thank you.

[UGAalum94]

This whole AI debate kind of blows my mind. I haven't been reading GC long enought to get why it's such a big deal.

But I do want to point out something that strikes me as a faulty premise: the argument that the AI forum shouldn't exist because information about AI is membership selection, and therefore, ritual.

Recruitment isn't membership selections. Information about what PNM can do to seek information isn't membership selection. Only the whys and hows of members actually being chosen gets to the ritual level, as I see it.

If I can tell an 18 year old how to sign up for rush or COR, why couldn't I tell a 35 year old about AI?

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

If I can tell an 18 year old how to sign up for rush or COR, why couldn't I tell a 35 year old about AI?

That is the whole point. You as as a sorority woman can approach someone you know IRL about AI. We just don't want internet solicitiation of AI into our sororities.

[UGAalum94]

If your group restricts information about AI to only those sorority members approach, then no one from your group should give info online.

But I think that some groups make AI info public. Why should those of you who don't want to give AI info. online get to restrict the communication of those who don't mind giving info. online?

Sometimes a person might want to get non-secret information online because they want to know what's available before they talk to someone in real life.

Let's say I had always wanted to be a member of the Order of the Eastern Star. I can see finding out online if there was even a remote possibility of being a member before I approached a local lodge or tried to develop my relationship with a local sponsor.

It's probably more comfortable for everyone involved. That doesn't mean I think you should recommend people you don't really know or sponsor people online. Only that it's okay to have an IA information forum.

[AGDee]

I won't profess to know any of the answers to this issue, but I do remember that, before the AI forum was first created, all these posts were simply in the Alum Involvement forum, intermingled with the other Alumnae issues. I remember being glad when they created the sub-forum because then I didn't have to sift through all the AI stuff to read the other alum oriented threads. I do read the AI forum, but it's usually my last resort forum, after I've read everything else. My fear is that those posts will just end up in the Alum Involvement thread again.

I'm all for AI, if it happens according to my Fraternity's policies. We had a recent International President who had been an AI. To some degree, I figure that the women on GC who pursue AI in an inappropriate way will just end up self destructing their AI process in the long run. Since it is a rare thing and many International officers/volunteers peruse this board, it's likely they will be recognized and their process will be shut down quickly. Sort of like Darwinism...

ETA: Just as we sometimes warn a PNM in a Recruitment thread to use discretion, I think it's fine for us to warn that of PNAMs who are going too far too, but sometimes it is the tone in which it's said rather than what is said that starts the arguments.

[UGAalum94]

AGDee, maybe your points about National policy and unfit applicants self destructing are why I don't see why having an AI forum as a problem. Telling people how to go about the process doesn't mean they'll get through the process.

Tippiechick, recruitment/ rush includes very public parties as well as private membership selection. I would happily tell people about the skits my group did or tell them about our house tour. I would happily tell them where to sign up for rush and what the general structure was. I would even tell them about how many girls get placed through formal recruitment and make all the data about choices and participation available. I would tell them all about my experience going through rush. None of that is membership selection; all of it is recruitment information. Ritual membership selection is a very important part of recruitment, and that I wouldn't share, but it's a limited part of recruitment and actually of very little practical use to anyone who didn't participate in it.

Information exists about AI that isn't membership selection. There's nothing wrong with that info being on the forum.

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Information exists about AI that isn't membership selection. There's nothing wrong with that info being on the forum.

Many I/HQ websites have taken AI info off their websites because they feel that that kind of information is for members only. Why should this info be readily available on GC for PNAMs if our own I/HQs don't want that on their official websites?

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Tippiechick, recruitment/ rush includes very public parties as well as private membership selection. None of that is membership selection; all of it is recruitment information. Ritual membership selection is a very important part of recruitment, and that I wouldn't share, but it's a limited part of recruitment and actually of very little practical use to anyone who didn't participate in it.

Information exists about AI that isn't membership selection. There's nothing wrong with that info being on the forum.

Exactly. And, all of that membership information is available outside of GC. What people are coming on here to find out is how easy it is to get into groups and other information that should only be available to members, IMO.

But, as far as the membership selection, that should be left to the groups and their members. It should not be shared. IMO, when you begin to talk in depth about the process of selection and AI, you are sharing ritual info. (As all membership SELECTION info is considered ritual and is not to be discussed with non-members.)

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by Alphagamuga

Recruitment isn't membership selections.

If I can tell an 18 year old how to sign up for rush or COR, why couldn't I tell a 35 year old about AI?

1) Recruitment IS COMPLETELY about membership selection. Do you talk about what goes on in your rounds? Do you talk about WHY you did or did NOT choose someone?

2) If the 35 year-old wants to learn about AI because she never made it into a group in college and is now yearning for days of her youth, then AI should not be for her.
If the 35 year-old is a spectacular woman who would actually be an ASSET to a group, then you should be able to tell her about AI. But, see you would actually personally know enough about this woman for her character to suggest discussion of AI.
On the internet, you don't have enough information to REALLY make a good decision about someone's true personality and background. Would you really want to PERSONALLY VOUCH YOURSELF for someone you met online? That's my point.

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

On the internet, you don't have enough information to REALLY make a good decision about someone's true personality and background. Would you really want to PERSONALLY VOUCH YOURSELF for someone you met online? That's my point.

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