Clearing the Air DZO/Beta Epsilon

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

When you post on a PUBLIC message board, anyone (meaning myself and anyone else who pleases) can and WILL take any issue we might have anywhere we want. Mandating that we keep all issues with your group to one thread is not in your authority. Welcome to GreekChat.

While there is that freedom, what good does it do to the origonal poster to clog their thread with useless and snide remarks? While we are here to chat and swap info on each other. Shouldn't we have enough respect to take our issues and deal with them elsewhere? I mean really, what does me being a member of DZO have anything to do with advice that I give? It is after all advice, you can take it or leave it.

And really do you have to be so rude? I admire the fact that you so willingly defend Greek Chat. So then you would understand my feelings in defending my chapter.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by babylyne

While there is that freedom, what good does it do to the origonal poster to clog their thread with useless and snide remarks? While we are here to chat and swap info on each other. Shouldn't we have enough respect to take our issues and deal with them elsewhere? I mean really, what does me being a member of DZO have anything to do with advice that I give? It is after all advice, you can take it or leave it.

And really do you have to be so rude? I admire the fact that you so willingly defend Greek Chat. So then you would understand my feelings in defending my chapter.

Umm, I am addressing something you said in a thread. What does you giving advice or being in DZO have to do with asking people to keep their issues confined to this thread? For that matter, I see no advice being given. I have only observed some statements that you have made regarding your group.

And, telling the truth is not being rude. You can't expect that people are going to do your bidding on a message board. If you don't like the way things are, you are free to leave.

I am not DEFENDING GC. GC has nothing to be defensive about. I don't understand your feelings because you have said nothing in this thread of any importance. You seem to be shifting all of the blame for whatever happened with your group to some SK.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Umm, I am addressing something you said in a thread. What does you giving advice or being in DZO have to do with asking people to keep their issues confined to this thread? For that matter, I see no advice being given. I have only observed some statements that you have made regarding your group.

And, telling the truth is not being rude. You can't expect that people are going to do your bidding on a message board. If you don't like the way things are, you are free to leave.

I am not DEFENDING GC. GC has nothing to be defensive about. I don't understand your feelings because you have said nothing in this thread of any importance. You seem to be shifting all of the blame for whatever happened with your group to some SK.

I am refering to the advice/comments that have been given in other local threads. It has somehow become an issue that I am a member of DZO. I personally see no reason to make snide comments about my sorority and clog a thread that has nothing to do with my greek affiliation. I thought the Local thread was a place for locals to get advice, and help each other out.

Am I wrong?

I am sorry you have a problem with me, I really have no issue with you.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by babylyne

I am refering to the advice/comments that have been given in other local threads. It has somehow become an issue that I am a member of DZO. I personally see no reason to make snide comments about my sorority and clog a thread that has nothing to do with my greek affiliation. I thought the Local thread was a place for locals to get advice, and help each other out.

Am I wrong?

I am sorry you have a problem with me, I really have no issue with you.

My issue is that you started a thread asking people to confine their opinions to your thread. And, you are bringing in YOUR issues from other threads and wanting discussion on them without providing any information on what the hell you are talking about!

When your sorority paraded themselves around on MTV, they opened themselves and their sisters up to criticism. I could personally give two shits about DZO. But, there are plenty of people who still have a bad taste in their mouths over the way your sisters acted on television. Their actions have put all sorority women in the spotlight. And, this is not a positive. They have caused non-Greeks to wonder if all of the stereotypes about sorority women are true. So, perhaps you can understand why women that have worked hard to further the reputation of their groups and all of panhellenic might not greet you with milk and cookies.

The locals forum is not just for locals. There are plenty of people who aren't in a local that come here to read and comment on what has been said.

You may not have a issue with me. But, I have an issue with anyone who wants comments or thoughts on her group confined to one little corner of GC. That's not how it works.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

When your sorority paraded themselves around on MTV, they opened themselves and their sisters up to criticism.

Have you been reading any other threads? Obviously not, I am a member of the Beta Epsilon Chapter and it was not our chapter that was on TV and the DZO that we affiliated with was after MTV WAY AFTER. And many/most of the sisters had left.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by babylyne

Have you been reading any other threads? Obviously not, I am a member of the Beta Epsilon Chapter and it was not our chapter that was on TV and the DZO that we affiliated with was after MTV WAY AFTER. And many/most of the sisters had left.

And your point is? You ARE a sister of DZO. And you can still thank your sisters for giving ALL of DZO a bad reputation. I don't care what chapter you are from. As long as you are a member, you will face the negative opinions of your sorority when you post on a message board.

You say THE DZO we affiliated with... You don't seem to understand that you still are affiliated with DZO. By choosing to affiliate with a group that has such a negative reputation, you have now subjected yourself to that same reputation.

[babylyne]

so in that respect if a chapter of yours on another campus had the reputation of being lose and giving away sexual favors, would you think it fair that someone give your chapter that same reputation? I think that you would defend your chapter and the sisters within it. The same way I defend mine.

[tunatartare]

I'm going to weigh in here as a member of a local sorority who knows some of what you've experienced. Being local, many people discount us right away and we have to work even harder and present an even better image for many people to think of us as being on the same level as national sororities. Unfortunately, many of your sisters did not keep that in mind when they appeared on Sorority Life. The only experience with DZO that the vast majority of GC has is due to that. Your sorority wasn't presented in the most favorable light, and that is what people are judging you on and are taking issue with. You seem to be upset that people are taking issue with your sorority. However, one thing you should know about GC is that you will never get everyone to see your point of view (unless, of course, your POV is that a certain poster is batshit, in which case most everyone will back you on it). If you are unprepared or unwilling to take criticisms, don't post in a public message board.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

I'm going to weigh in here as a member of a local sorority who knows some of what you've experienced. Being local, many people discount us right away and we have to work even harder and present an even better image for many people to think of us as being on the same level as national sororities. Unfortunately, many of your sisters did not keep that in mind when they appeared on Sorority Life. The only experience with DZO that the vast majority of GC has is due to that. Your sorority wasn't presented in the most favorable light, and that is what people are judging you on and are taking issue with. You seem to be upset that people are taking issue with your sorority. However, one thing you should know about GC is that you will never get everyone to see your point of view (unless, of course, your POV is that a certain poster is batshit, in which case most everyone will back you on it). If you are unprepared or unwilling to take criticisms, don't post in a public message board.

Fine critisized the right chapter then, I have no problem with any issues that others may have. I just really hate it when people clog threads with the dont listen to that poster because "their opinion is baseless because the belong to xyz/abc" or "they cant spell so their opinions dont mean anything" and so on.

[tunatartare]

Originally Posted by babylyne

Fine critisized the right chapter then, I have no problem with any issues that others may have. I just really hate it when people clog threads with the dont listen to that poster because "their opinion is baseless because the belong to xyz/abc" or "they cant spell so their opinions dont mean anything" and so on.

When did I say that your opinion was crap? Look, let's say the chapter of AB sorority at your school hazes badly or just generally has a bad reputation on your campus. If you randomly meet someone from work, camp, church, etc. who is AB not from your school, aren't your first thoughts going to be "oh but you aren't anything like them," or "why AB?" or something pertaining to AB's reputation on your campus? Well it's the same thing with DZO. You only have two chapters, one of which is notorious. It doesn't matter that the girls on Sorority Life all graduated. DZO's reputation precedes itself. When people hear DZO, they automatically think of Sorority Life.

[babylyne]

I didn't say that you said that I am saying that that is what is going on in some of these threads.

I think the issue here isn't DZO. We all have our own opinions on what your Alpha Chapter did on MTV, but I don't think it's that at all.

A few years ago, someone directed us to a link to the Beta Epsilon Sorority website. Lots of GCers, SKs and non-SKs alike, were shaking their fists at their computers because it really did seem like they were definitely ripping off the symbols and everything related to Sigma Kappa.

Unfortunately no link to the old website exists, but discussion about it (when SUNY-Buffalo was opening up for expansion, home of DZO-Alpha) can be found here. The Beta Epsilon Sorority had just become a DZO chapter, and people were wondering what would happen to the new chapter. As you know, DZO never went NPC.

I don't know when it was ever okay for a member to go to another organization (a new one) and say, "Hey! Why not use my sorority symbols?" I only wish there was a link to the BE website because it was obvious to even the dumbest of dumbfcuks that everything was ripped off. babylyne, if that wasn't the intent to copy SK, then you guys sure as hell didn't do a good job distinguishing yourselves.

So basically Sigma Kappa HQ gave you guys a cease and desist and that's how you got help and broke it off?

I'm definitely not making this up either. 33girl remembered it. I remember it, and I'm sure others do as well.

[babylyne]

Originally Posted by OTW

I think the issue here isn't DZO. We all have our own opinions on what your Alpha Chapter did on MTV, but I don't think it's that at all.

A few years ago, someone directed us to a link to the Beta Epsilon Sorority website. Lots of GCers, SKs and non-SKs alike, were shaking their fists at their computers because it really did seem like they were definitely ripping off the symbols and everything related to Sigma Kappa.

Unfortunately no link to the old website exists, but discussion about it (when SUNY-Buffalo was opening up for expansion, home of DZO-Alpha) can be found here. The Beta Epsilon Sorority had just become a DZO chapter, and people were wondering what would happen to the new chapter. As you know, DZO never went NPC.

I don't know when it was ever okay for a member to go to another organization (a new one) and say, "Hey! Why not use my sorority symbols?" I only wish there was a link to the BE website because it was obvious to even the dumbest of dumbfcuks that everything was ripped off. babylyne, if that wasn't the intent to copy SK, then you guys sure as hell didn't do a good job distinguishing yourselves.

So basically Sigma Kappa HQ gave you guys a cease and desist and that's how you got help and broke it off?

I'm definitely not making this up either. 33girl remembered it. I remember it, and I'm sure others do as well.

the reason why you dont find the old web page is because when we were being told what was happening the first thing I did was disable the website. The person who was "helping" us create our sorority had the intentions of becoming a Sigma Kappa colony. This however was not disclosed to us. It was mentioned in front of Panhellenic and then brought to my attention. The sisters at the time (right before a sisterhood event) came together and discussed the issues that we had just found out about. We instatly OVERNIGHT changed everything. We also relayed our appoligies to the Panhellenic regional rep. and asked her to relay that to Sigma Kappa. It is really hard to go into complete detail. and what happened was VERY painful to all of us because we trusted those around us. Most importantly we trusted someone who was supposed to be teaching us about sisterhood.

Originally Posted by babylyne

the reason why you dont find the old web page is because when we were being told what was happening the first thing I did was disable the website. The person who was "helping" us create our sorority had the intentions of becoming a Sigma Kappa colony. This however was not disclosed to us. It was mentioned in front of Panhellenic and then brought to my attention. The sisters at the time (right before a sisterhood event) came together and discussed the issues that we had just found out about. We instatly OVERNIGHT changed everything. We also relayed our appoligies to the Panhellenic regional rep. and asked her to relay that to Sigma Kappa. It is really hard to go into complete detail. and what happened was VERY painful to all of us because we trusted those around us. Most importantly we trusted someone who was supposed to be teaching us about sisterhood.

I'm very sorry that you and your sisters went through such a painful experience. I really mean that.

I'm curious, though. How long did it take from the time of founding to the time you took everything off the website took place?

I just find it hard to believe that this Sigma Kappa member would be this mastermind of everything. Did your founding sisters not do their research when choosing colors, symbols, and mottos? Sure, I'm no founding sister of anything -- but if I were, I'd sure as hell do my research and make sure that we'd try to be as unique as possible.