UGa Chi Phis declared 'open season' on black women?

[shinerbock]

No, but I automatically think "affirmative action" when discussing universities trying to increase the on-campus diversity.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

No, but I automatically think "affirmative action" when discussing universities trying to increase the on-campus diversity.

That isn't always a safe assumption, since most people don't know the specific methods universities use to get a more diverse student body. Sometimes it is as simple as opening recruitment to predominently black or Hispanic high schools whose students have the test scores and grades but no one comes to talk to them about colleges. Also, some universities offer grants and scholarships that attract a more diverse student body.

The whites don't own those applicant slots in the first place. So a literal "replacing" of whites is taking place but that wording is a bit disturbing to me.

But truth be told "affirmative action" (in the broad sense) has been used for decades to keep some institutions predominently white.

[shinerbock]

You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white. The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white.
The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.

So are you assuming that every non-white person in college is there because a white person got rejected? What happened to people getting to college on their own merits? Last time I checked, there were qualified people of EVERY race.

I went to college with kids like you, they took one look at me in engineering courses and decided I was there because of affirmative action, when in actuality, I didn't have a single "minority" scholarship, but I had a bunch because I was an out-of-state student.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I went to college with kids like you, they took one look at me in engineering courses and decided I was there because of affirmative action, when in actuality, I didn't have a single "minority" scholarship, but I had a bunch because I was an out-of-state student.

Ah, engineering school. Where the white guys (and the professors) all assume you must be an idiot who just got in for diversity if you're black, Hispanic, or -gasp!- female.

Jubilance, and all the rest of you on here who are minority women in engineering and sciences, you all take a lot of crap and you all amaze me. I could never have lasted at my engineering undergrad if I hadn't been holed up in my little liberal arts major haven, and I only have one strike against me.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

Ah, engineering school. Where the white guys (and the professors) all assume you must be an idiot who just got in for diversity if you're black, Hispanic, or -gasp!- female.

Jubilance, and all the rest of you on here who are minority women in engineering and sciences, you all take a lot of crap and you all amaze me. I could never have lasted at my engineering undergrad if I hadn't been holed up in my little liberal arts major haven, and I only have one strike against me.

You know I went to your undergrad as a grad student right?

And you're right, it definately has some characters...but there are some great folks there too.

[Dionysus]

Wow, I can't believe that you all actually had classmates that told you that crap to your face.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

You know I went to your undergrad as a grad student right?

And you're right, it definately has some characters...but there are some great folks there too.

Yeah, I know

It's just always amazed me the attitudes of some of those people ... especially the difference from when I was in my major classes (literature, history, etc.) and when I was in my science and math courses. Some people would say to your face that you only got in because you were a girl. Women would even say it about themselves - I guess they thought self-depreciation was cute.

I think one of the biggest problems in universities today is the divisions between students over stuff like that, and my undergrad/your grad seemed to really accentuate those divisions a lot. I think they're starting to improve, tho'.

Just always pissed me off ... I had better credentials on my admissions application than my SO the Rocket Scientist, but no one ever challenged him on any kind of affirmative action stuff

[starang21]

Originally Posted by jubilance1922

I went to college with kids like you,

me too. usually the kids who fell at the back of the bell curve.

[AKA_Monet]

I am so confused...

Why am not amazed at little pledges from the University of Georgia showing naked women who happen to be of Afrikan descent to the public driving down the street?

shinerbock-

You know you ain't got no Black friends anyway, so what's up with the vehemenence? Sistahgirl DSTChaos just called your bluff and you need to be a man about it...

What's going to happen is you are gonna go off into a "hissy fit", "huff and puff", yell at all your little friends about Black people in Dekalb County, Stone Mountain, Georgia, where my cop, brother in law might have to take you to lockdown, 'cuz you missed your Klan rally up at the top of Stone Mountain...

If you want to hate baby, that's okay... You ain't got no game or skillz, but you can hate...

Which is probably the whole point to this pointless act. It just goes to show you that the Chi Phi pledges at UGA have no game or skillz and they have to show naked ladies to folks driving down to street to get some...

[DSTCHAOS]

Now I'm confused.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I am so confused...

Why am not amazed at little pledges from the University of Georgia showing naked women who happen to be of Afrikan descent to the public driving down the street?

shinerbock-

You know you ain't got no Black friends anyway, so what's up with the vehemenence? Sistahgirl DSTChaos just called your bluff and you need to be a man about it...

What's going to happen is you are gonna go off into a "hissy fit", "huff and puff", yell at all your little friends about Black people in Dekalb County, Stone Mountain, Georgia, where my cop, brother in law might have to take you to lockdown, 'cuz you missed your Klan rally up at the top of Stone Mountain...

If you want to hate baby, that's okay... You ain't got no game or skillz, but you can hate...

Which is probably the whole point to this pointless act. It just goes to show you that the Chi Phi pledges at UGA have no game or skillz and they have to show naked ladies to folks driving down to street to get some...

Maybe you should speak proper English if you are going to try to insult him.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're right, whites don't own those spots. However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white. The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes, but that isn't my immediate concern. Schools in the past have been fairly open about accepting the minority candidate over a white one when their qualifications are identical. In the UM case, the school claimed this was to foster diversity on campus, which can provide an environment conducive for education. However, my opinion is that such practices constitute racial discrimination, and that the practices do not serve the purpose of "fostering diversity" any better than accepting the white applicant would, considering the broad diversity that exists among whites.

People don't complain until their opportunity hoarding is challenged. Discrimination is fine until they THINK they are on the receiving end. Without universities admitting to it, how many rejects actually KNOW for a FACT that they were denied for less qualified minority applicants? Not many. As opposed to the discovery of covert and overt practices of racial and ethnic, gender, social class, and religious exclusion at many institutions over the years. That's something to sing about and that's why we have affirmative action efforts (that benefit more than blacks and Hispanics, despite what the media tells people).

So back to the topic of achieving diversity. Affirmative action is simply ONE of the means through which diversity is achieved so no need to continue down that road. I just wanted to ask why you brought up affirmative action.

[shinerbock]

I brought up affirmative action because its become a blanket term used to describe efforts by universities to increase diversity. I imagine you'll agree with my version of its usage. As for opportunity hoarding, I imagine this is some effort by you to justify the racial discrimination against some whites in the application process, but it holds little weight with me.

To jubilence, who obviously saw the first few lines of my post and jumped to conclusions, i'd like to ask where I said all minorities are admitted because a white kid got screwed. This will probably take you a while, considering I didn't say it, nor did I even come remotely close to implying it. Better luck next time.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I brought up affirmative action because its become a blanket term used to describe efforts by universities to increase diversity. I imagine you'll agree with my version of its usage. As for opportunity hoarding, I imagine this is some effort by you to justify the racial discrimination against some whites in the application process, but it holds little weight with me.

To jubilence, who obviously saw the first few lines of my post and jumped to conclusions, i'd like to ask where I said all minorities are admitted because a white kid got screwed. This will probably take you a while, considering I didn't say it, nor did I even come remotely close to implying it. Better luck next time.

However, the majority of qualified applicants applying to good schools are white. Likewise, the majority of qualified applicants getting rejected are white. The simple fact is that affirmative action has kept white applicants from being accepted. The question is whether less qualified minorities have been given their "spot." I imagine the answer is yes,

Are you sure you didn't come close to implying it? The above shows that you said that you think less qualified minorities have been given the spots that would have went to qualified applicants who are white.

Try again.