rumblytumbly's rush

xo_kathy · #1 08-24-2006, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rumblytumbly

I'm not allowed to through formal rcruitment for 1 year but spring recruitment is informal...right?

No. By not not accepting a bid from a group you listed on your preference card, you cannot be involved in any sort of recruitment proccess for one calendar year. Unless U of A doesn't follow the normal NPC rules - which could be a possibility but I highly doubt it. I suggest you call you campus Panhellenic to be sure.

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Originally Posted by IHeartUGA

It's my understanding that unless she actually signed a bid card she is free to participate in any form of recruitment that she wants. However, if she were to have actually SIGNED the bid card, only then would she have to wait one calendar year to participate in recruitment.

This cannot be true since with some houses you never actually sign your bid card. For instance, Chi Omega bid cards do not have a spot for signature. If she filled out her preference card after pref parties, that is the card that is binding. Since she received a bid from one of the houses she went to for pref, I would assume she did in fact fill out that card. (I'm not sure all schools make you actually sign that card, but filling it in and submitting it with ABC and XYZ listed means you will accept a bid from either of those houses if they offer you one).

rumblytumbly · #2 08-24-2006, 12:47 PM

But they wouldn't allow us to SIP. If I had the option I would have cause in no way did I want to take a bid away from a girl that was truly deserving.

AChiOhSnap · #3 08-24-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rumblytumbly

But they wouldn't allow us to SIP. If I had the option I would have cause in no way did I want to take a bid away from a girl that was truly deserving.

Say someone is in Rumblytumbly's shoes, where they go through recruitment and end up with invites to, say, two pref parties.

This PNM really loves ABC and doesn't really like XYZ, but since you have to go two, she goes to both pref parties.

When it comes time to preference the sororities, if the PNM really doesn't want to be a member of XYZ, and she's not allowed to SIP, wouldn't it make sense for the PNM to preference ABC and sorority DEF, a sorority which she liked but had already cut her? DEF would be highly unlikely to give her a bid, so then she would only really be able to get a bid from ABC or be released from recruitment. In that way, the PNM wouldn't be taking a bid from a sorority she didn't like and preventing another girl who really wanted XYZ from getting a bid.

I've always been confused about whether this would work, logistically, but it seemed to make sense to me when I thought about it.

OtterXO · #4 08-24-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpha Chi Emily

Say someone is in Rumblytumbly's shoes, where they go through recruitment and end up with invites to, say, two pref parties.

This PNM really loves ABC and doesn't really like XYZ, but since you have to go two, she goes to both pref parties.

When it comes time to pref her sorority, if the PNM really doesn't want to be a member of XYZ, and she's not allowed to SIP, wouldn't it make sense for the PNM to preference ABC and sorority DEF, a sorority which she liked but had already cut her? DEF would be highly unlikely to give her a bid, so then she would only really be able to get a bid from ABC or be released from recruitment. In that way, the PNM wouldn't be taking a bid from a sorority she didn't like and preventing another girl who really wanted XYZ from getting a bid.

I've always been confused about whether this would work, logistically, but it seemed to make sense to me when I thought about it.

I believe that in order to follow panhellenic rules you have to rank the houses you attended that night. So unless you only preffed one house (with a maximum of two) you wouldn't be following panhell ruled unless you ranked both. That's my recollection, but anyone feel free to correct me.

aabby757 · #5 08-24-2006, 01:04 PM

What does SIP mean?

AlphaFrog · #6 08-24-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by aabby757

What does SIP mean?

Single Intentional Preference = suicide

adpiucf · #7 08-24-2006, 01:08 PM

SIP = Single Indvidual Preference

Also known as a fancy term for "suiciding" to one sorority after prefs.

In all fairness, sometimes Rho Gams and Pan Exec are not exactly forthcoming with info to PNMs. Not b/c they don't want to be, but b/c they themselves don't know, having only been doing this "job" for a couple of months.

OtterXO · #8 08-24-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xo_kathy

This cannot be true since with some houses you never actually sign your bid card. For instance, Chi Omega bid cards do not have a spot for signature. If she filled out her preference card after pref parties, that is the card that is binding. Since she received a bid from one of the houses she went to for pref, I would assume she did in fact fill out that card. (I'm not sure all schools make you actually sign that card, but filling it in and submitting it with ABC and XYZ listed means you will accept a bid from either of those houses if they offer you one).

That's funny you should say that because I was just thinking that I don't remember signing a bid card. I recall that at my alma mater the procedure was as you described, filling out the preference card is binding. That's what makes it so scary if you pref a house you didn't love and one you do love. I put all three houses on my bid card and I REALLY wanted ChiO, was so-so about one and really did not feel comfortable at the third. But I put all three b/c my Rho Chi (as they were called in those days) told me it would maximize my chances of getting ChiO to follow the panhellenic rules and put all three....but the flip side was that if i received a bid from anyone I'd be prohibited from rushing again for a year.

xo_kathy · #9 08-24-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OtterXO

But I put all three b/c my Rho Chi (as they were called in those days) told me it would maximize my chances of getting ChiO to follow the panhellenic rules and put all three....

Well, that is simply untrue. I don't know if the Rho Chi was trying to lie, or if she was just mis-informed, but the only thing that increased your chance of a Chi O bid was putting them #1.

Rumblytumbly, I am sorry it turned out this way and you were not allowed to SIP. However, before attending open COR events in the Spring to get to know the ladies, PLEASE check with Panhellenic and mkae sure this is ok. You don't want to break any rules and jepordize your chances for next year. Also, if they say it is ok, please be sure to inform the women at the chapters that you are not eleigible for a bid until fall. You don't want them to have problems either.

OtterXO · #10 08-24-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xo_kathy

Well, that is simply untrue. I don't know if the Rho Chi was trying to lie, or if she was just mis-informed, but the only thing that increased your chance of a Chi O bid was putting them #1.

That's so funny! She had some story about how if you follow panhellenic rules you're run through the computer a second time and it will pick you up if you're on the second bid list and they didn't already match up to quota. LOL...I was young and uninformed i guess!

OleMissGlitter · #11 08-24-2006, 01:55 PM

Like the former Greek Life head told me back in 1996 when I went through rush at Ole Miss: "Rush is not a guaranteed process. You have to play the game ladies or you'll be left behind."

I think it is great advice to use...

adpiucf · #12 08-24-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OtterXO

That's so funny! She had some story about how if you follow panhellenic rules you're run through the computer a second time and it will pick you up if you're on the second bid list and they didn't already match up to quota. LOL...I was young and uninformed i guess!

I know-- I remember one year that "you aren't allowed to suicide/SIP or you'll be kicked out of the computer."

Big. Fat. Lie.

But the person who told us believed it herself because it was a rumor that had circulated among people in the "know."

xo_kathy · #13 08-24-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OtterXO

That's so funny! She had some story about how if you follow panhellenic rules you're run through the computer a second time and it will pick you up if you're on the second bid list and they didn't already match up to quota. LOL...I was young and uninformed i guess!

Well, the part about second bid lists to quota is true, but it has nothing to do with running you through the computer the second time because you "followed the rules" by not SIPing.

If Chi O made it through their first bid list and did not match to quota, they will work their way down their second bid list until they reach quota. So if you have them #1, and they make it to your name on the second bid list, you will get the bid. But that would have been true if you had SIP'd, too.

AGDee · #14 08-24-2006, 03:24 PM

We have read threads here where it was pointed out that to be eligible as a quota addition, the PNM could not have SIP'd. In that case, it would increase their chances.

Once again, if everybody always played by the rules, this would not be as big of an issue. But there are always a few women who dirty rush and tell Suzy PNM "If you SIP us then we'll get to take you as a quota addition", which is why the PNMs are strongly discouraged from SIP and even told that they can't be a quota addition if they do SIP.

AlphaFrog · #15 08-24-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

But there are always a few women who dirty rush and tell Suzy PNM "If you SIP us then we'll get to take you as a quota addition"

I know some PNMs get desperate to be in a top house, but I'd be totally turned off if a sister said that to me. She's basically saying "We don't want you bad enough to put you on our first bid list, but if you want us bad enough, we'll take you if we have room left over."