Hazing. Is it necessary?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by macallan25

What are you trying to prove? I really don't understand you. Are you trying to discredit the rankings of the university because a kid died?

Texas is a Top 50 National University. It has been for quite a while. Grad School....I would say Top 20.

Again, what is your point with all of these Princeton Review party, drug, alcohol statistics.

Frankly, I think US News is a much more reliable source....but whatever floats your boat.

Brother;
Answer the question.

And yes, I still think our little discussion here is much like a 'family' fight.

[macallan25]

What question? If you want to know about the incident...I don't have anything to tell you. Its not something that I am going to discuss on a message board or really anyone that wasn't involved for that matter. Like I said......everything turned out just fine. No problems from my point of view.

Other than that......I don't see much of a discussion. You are posting a bunch or random stuff in what seems like some effort to discredit the academic integrity of Texas. For what reason I don't know. The simple fact is, Texas is one of the best universities (again Top 50) in the country at all levels.......

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by macallan25

What question? If you want to know about the incident...I don't have anything to tell you. Its not something that I am going to discuss on a message board or really anyone that wasn't involved for that matter. Like I said......everything turned out just fine. No problems from my point of view.

Other than that......I don't see much of a discussion. You are posting a bunch or random stuff in what seems like some effort to discredit the academic integrity of Texas. For what reason I don't know. The simple fact is, Texas is one of the best universities (again Top 50) in the country at all levels.......

Brother,
We ask because you bring up hazing activites and in some ways seem to support them.

And this thread is all about hazing.

So it does fit in.

And a word of advise from an older Brother: Never think that once you have had a problem it is all over and done with. It is a warning to never forget it or make light of it.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Brother,
We ask because you bring up hazing activites and in some ways seem to support them.

And this thread is all about hazing.

So it does fit in.

And a word of advise from an older Brother: Never think that once you have had a problem it is all over and done with. It is a warning to never forget it or make light of it.

I agree with you somewhat. I do not advocate any type of hazing that involves physical abuse.....forced drinking....you know, that kind of stuff. Other things...that I have mentioned...as well as people like Shinerbock....I totally accept and think it is useful.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I do not advocate any type of hazing that involves physical abuse.....forced drinking....you know, that kind of stuff. Other things...that I have mentioned...as well as people like Shinerbock....I totally accept and think it is useful.

I agree on many levels, but has it occurred to you that hazing, no matter how poorly defined, is illegal?

Just thought I'd mention it.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I agree on many levels, but has it occurred to you that hazing, no matter how poorly defined, is illegal?

Just thought I'd mention it.

And in the case of Texas seems to be defined better than many other States and Schools :

http://www.utexas.edu/student/regist.../app/appf.html

http://deanofstudents.utexas.edu/gle...n-Summer05.pdf

So the questions, Brother, are: just what line did you cross? Why? And have you learned anything from this?

[RU OX Alum]

we need to make a clearer distintion of pledging and hazing. The pledge class that was the last one to go through when I was there said they were not hazed at all, but compairing their experinces with pledges from other chapters, that our pledging was the hardest.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jon1856

And in the case of Texas seems to be defined better than many other States and Schools :

http://www.utexas.edu/student/regist.../app/appf.html

http://deanofstudents.utexas.edu/gle...n-Summer05.pdf

So the questions, Brother, are: just what line did you cross? Why? And have you learned anything from this?

I'm gonna say that a line may have been crossed...but it was not serious at all. Not even close. The matter was resolved and our chapter didn't suffer by any means.