greek/party life?????

[Kevin]

Mike, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. The fact is that if a fraternity held beer, partying, and smoking pot above all else, they would certainly fail. Our national organizations have extremely high expectations, being in a fraternity is sometimes a lot of work (and a hell of a lot of fun). If you're not able to put in the time/effort required to keep your house afloat, it simply won't. The organization might struggle for a few years, and just exist, but eventually, they'll fail. They'll either die because no one wanted to work on Rush (which is a hell of a lot of work at a place like ASU, and very competitive), or they will be closed by their national HQ.

I'm not familiar with the ASU campus in the least, but what I've said is universally true in the fraternity world. Go through rush, but remember that how you do in college is going to determine how well you do for the rest of your life. If you flunk out in 2 semesters, you'll regret it forever.

That's not to say that you'll not be able to find a group that can have a good time, I just don't like seeing kids flunk out because they overemphasize partying to the extent that they forget why they're in college in the first place.

[Tom Earp]

ktsnake that is so true isnt it?

Oh, I just went to college to get drunk and smoke weed, which is the best greek dudes to hang with!

OUCH, GAG!

[shinerbock]

Parties, girls and beer played no small part in both my fraternity and college choices. I regret neither.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Parties, girls and beer played no small part in both my fraternity and college choices. I regret neither.

Maybe, but I get the sense from your posts that they weren't the only factors. I got the sense from this guy (assuming he's not a fake) that they were pretty much the only considerations.

[shinerbock]

Yeah but come on, he's what 18? Young, dumb and...

Next four years? Try next seven. I doubt you'll even graduate considering how stupid you are.

Also, if you only want to join a fraternity for the parties and the drugs, there are a lot of other ways to do that without all the work that goes into running a fraternity. Maybe it's only at my school, because all the fraternities and sororities are very small, but every member has to do a lot of work to keep their organization running. I think because of that fact, the GLOs at my school have to be even more selective. If they take people that only want to party and get high, things will start to fall apart. I suggest not going to college at all. Get a job at mcdonalds. I'm sure you'd find a lot of pot heads and alcoholics there.

[Akkus]

Originally Posted by jessicaelaine

Next four year? Try next seven. I doubt you'll even graduate considering how stupid you are.

Also, if you only want to join a fraternity for the parties and the drugs, there are a lot of other ways to do that without all the work that goes into running a fraternity. Maybe it's only at my school, because all the fraternities and sororities are very small, but every member has to do a lot of work to keep their organization running. I think because of that fact, the GLOs at my school have to be even more selective. If they take people that only want to party and get high, things will start to fall apart. I suggest not going to college at all, get a job at mcdonalds. I'm sure you'd find a lot of pot heads and alcoholics there.

well said.

[EE-BO]

I pledged and was initiated at UGA, and later re-affiliated at U. Texas.

Pot is a strange thing. I have no use for it, and I certainly did my part to keep it out of the house. I even tried to blackball a pledge brother over it (he missed grades for initiation with our class and we tried to get rid of him that following quarter.)

It is my experience that the pot smokers/drug users in even the best fraternities are in a subculture of their own. Pot is much stronger at UGA than at Texas, and in my pledge class we had 4 regular smokers. 3 of them dropped out before pledgeship was over (and all 3 of them also failed out of Georgia within a year.) The 4th did finally get in, but a lot of us fought it.

But most of the regular pot smokers were outside the scope of existence of fraternity activities. Ladies from the better sororities certainly didn't want to associate with them, and drug-free actives like me certainly didn't want them around at social events.

I have no idea how ASU works, but your best bet is to ask around and see what the local scene is. At Georgia there are two middle-tier fraternities that that are known for their drug use by the majority of members, but which also get decent sorority mixers. At U. Texas there are none.

Your mileage may vary.

But in the grand scheme of things I agree with the other posters. Those two Georgia Chapters are also noticeable for their lack of active junior and senior members- pledges and sophomores compose the majority of the active membership. This is because so many of them dropped out of the frat (and college) before finishing because drugs were all they cared about.

Coming into the college life with hard drugs as a part of your life is a good way to radically decrease your odds of moving on in life. And frankly, if a fraternity does not help prepare you for life after graduation, what good is the investment of time and money?

I sure had my fun times as an active Greek- I'll stack up my good stories against anyone else's any day, but the overall experience prepared me for life beyond. I don't see how a drug-oriented house could provide that.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I pledged and was initiated at UGA, and later re-affiliated at U. Texas.

Pot is a strange thing. I have no use for it, and I certainly did my part to keep it out of the house. I even tried to blackball a pledge brother over it (he missed grades for initiation with our class and we tried to get rid of him that following quarter.)

It is my experience that the pot smokers/drug users in even the best fraternities are in a subculture of their own. Pot is much stronger at UGA than at Texas, and in my pledge class we had 4 regular smokers. 3 of them dropped out before pledgeship was over (and all 3 of them also failed out of Georgia within a year.) The 4th did finally get in, but a lot of us fought it.

But most of the regular pot smokers were outside the scope of existence of fraternity activities. Ladies from the better sororities certainly didn't want to associate with them, and drug-free actives like me certainly didn't want them around at social events.

I have no idea how ASU works, but your best bet is to ask around and see what the local scene is. At Georgia there are two middle-tier fraternities that that are known for their drug use by the majority of members, but which also get decent sorority mixers. At U. Texas there are none.

Your mileage may vary.

But in the grand scheme of things I agree with the other posters. Those two Georgia Chapters are also noticeable for their lack of active junior and senior members- pledges and sophomores compose the majority of the active membership. This is because so many of them dropped out of the frat (and college) before finishing because drugs were all they cared about.

Coming into the college life with hard drugs as a part of your life is a good way to radically decrease your odds of moving on in life. And frankly, if a fraternity does not help prepare you for life after graduation, what good is the investment of time and money?

I sure had my fun times as an active Greek- I'll stack up my good stories against anyone else's any day, but the overall experience prepared me for life beyond. I don't see how a drug-oriented house could provide that.

Dude, I don't know what chapter you were in at Texas......but if you don't think there is any drug use among the top chapters......you need a wake up call.....and these top chapters do everything with the top sororities...Pi Phi, Theta, Kappa, etc. Its Austin for crying out loud. We are a hop skip and a jump from San Antonio.......if you don't think the cocaine and pot flows like wine here....then I dont know what to tell you. We get the best stuff in Texas.

[Akkus]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Dude, I don't know what chapter you were in at Texas......but if you don't think there is any drug use among the top chapters......you need a wake up call.....and these top chapters do everything with the top sororities...Pi Phi, Theta, Kappa, etc. Its Austin for crying out loud. We are a hop skip and a jump from San Antonio.......if you don't think the cocaine and pot flows like wine here....then I dont know what to tell you. We get the best stuff in Texas.

Oh now your posts make more sense. So it was the drugs to blame not your stupidity.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Dude, I don't know what chapter you were in at Texas......but if you don't think there is any drug use among the top chapters......you need a wake up call.....and these top chapters do everything with the top sororities...Pi Phi, Theta, Kappa, etc. Its Austin for crying out loud. We are a hop skip and a jump from San Antonio.......if you don't think the cocaine and pot flows like wine here....then I dont know what to tell you. We get the best stuff in Texas.

Hey man,

I am not talking about use period- I am talking about being well known for it on a regular basis among the majority of members. I think most chapters have some of that- but the question is the reputation.

I am well aware of the cocaine usage at UT (and at a couple of chapters in particular since it was going on when we were all in high schools with lots of future UT Greeks too), as well as pot- but it is not part of daily life in the way it was at Georgia. It was daily life for many, but it was at least not spoken of or made an open part of reputation (except for those 2 chapters I referenced above which I will not name on the internet since they are not my house.)

I was a lifer at one of the best Houston private schools. I never tried it, but I know all about cocaine. And I know how many guys and girls with every advantage imaginable lost a lot of potential as a result- many before they even got to college.

Most play with it and let it go later. No worries. But not everyone does. And at UT, unlike UGA, those who played with it kept it to themselves- and hopefully most of them got over it in time.

[KAY10]

macallan25. Yeah, I think we're pretty Kool guys. I met a guy in you're frat (SAE). He pledged at Central Michigan. He was really cool and represented your frat well. He told me you guys were founded in 1856. I think that's great you guys have been going strong for that long.