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Originally Posted by KSigAdvisor
LaneSig,
Choice #2 isn't "Eff you!" on our part. Do you label everyone protecting their 1st Amendment Rights this way? We were told "Eff you!" by the school. It's hard trading points with you because of your lack of understanding for what is going on here. If a group is protesting on a public sidewalk, and the police tell them "No" or "Eff you get out of here," and the group persists, then who is right? You may not like what we have to say, but you have to accept the fact that we have the right to say it. See the difference there? We never said "Eff you" we respectfully said this is the United States of America and under the laws of this country, you can't deny us the right to freely associate, and thus we support the young men on campus who want to be a part of our organization. We are sticking up for our rights, what do you not see about this? If your local city government put a gag order on your First Amendment rights, what would you say? Why on earth would you stick up for the government violating the rights that for centuries we have fought so hard to protect. Contrary to Princess' statements, you wouldn't make anyone I know proud. All you are doing is condemning these kids for standing up for themselves. Challenging the system is difficult, and there are many naysayers along the way. We did choose our own path, but like I said before, we aren't afraid of the struggle. You should be ashamed of yourself as a United States American.
MysticCat, since you are legally educated, can you please drop the bias for one second and help progress this discussion along? Yes, I'm asking for a neutral statement from you since all of you who have been on this Greek Chat thing for years seem to stick together. Please describe the difference to your cronies between disagreeing with a message and disagreeing with the right to present the message.
Rambler, it's nearly impossible to conduct intelligent and constructive discourse on this thing. All anyone wants to focus on is the negative. Not one person will stand up and say "Although I disagree with your stance, I acknowledge you have the right to say it." LaneSig's example #2 from above is the perfect example. He describes our actions in defending our right to equal protection as saying "Eff You." You can't get anywhere in a conversation when these people fail to understand the basics of our Bill of Rights.
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What I'm noticing is that you are tending to focus on little parts and ignoring the big picture. There were several aspects of my post that begged for responses. Examples: Reasons for not waiting. The acknowledgment that Kappa Sigma created the issue. Your own actions in your 2nd post. The discussion of why shouldn't the Administration believe that you will follow campus rules and policies, when from the beginning of the colony you didn't wish to follow their policies of expansion.
Where have I ever said that I am against freedom of speech or association? I'm not.
Again, when you decided to go with Choice #2, you effectively did tell FGCU that you did not need to follow their wishes or policies. The "F--- you" is metaphorical.
But, again, it's all about the Constitution and not about Kappa Sigma's actions. Because, of course, Kappa Sigma is completely blameless in this situation.
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