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Originally Posted by jon1856
"If this tape is real"-Shiinerbock, if it is real the best way to debunk the debunkers is to show it. And it has not shown up anywhere.
NO ONE, that I know, in three different "camps" believe it ever happened or existed.
But as I posted before, this is not the first time ever that people have said falsehoods about others just to have them out there to be "heard" and remembered. Very few will bother to follow-up to see what proof exists.
In some ways this is like what happened with USDS and the six Fraternities involved the the drug busts. Six were said to have been involved in the very first PR's.
SAE National had a press release within 48 hours showing that NO active Brothers or Pledges were involved. Yet it took school over two weeks to correct/update their information on SAE and two others. And I never saw correction in any of the mass media.
And, I fear and believe, that this is only the opening shot of what we all will see until November. And even Fox News said, just yesterday, that even with the two candidates saying that they will "play nice" that it still will be politics as what is now the norm. 
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A) I agree, it'll be a dirty election cycle. I'm actually looking forward to it.
B) You're right that the best way to prove the naysayers wrong would be to prove it, but consider the reality here. If it is real, and if some political entity has it, what benefit would they gain from showing it now? They could simply wait for the hype to blow over, allow people to conclude that it was fake, and spring it at an inopportune time (which is what my people have said: That if real, it is being held).
C) What I heard weeks ago when it broke was that about half the contacts I know believe, for whatever reason, it was real, and about half didn't. If real, I highly doubt that many have first hand knowledge, as I'm positive the McCain campaign doesn't have it (though they would certainly be able to exercise some persuasion over usage) and the GOP proper doesn't have it.
D) There will be more stuff like this. I think so because I strongly believe there is stuff "like" this out there (Obama has been pitched softballs, true vetting will continue in coming months) and because the GOP is far superior than the left when it comes to pure political strategy. Further, as we agree, it will be dirty and I expect these types of rumors to continue, on both sides, throughout the cycle.