Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I had to just about stop reading this at the very first line.
Double standards at some Fraternities???
Off the top of my head I can recall: Rape, drug use, destruction of public property,theft, riot, under age drinking, and hazing. And the line is drawn at a person being gay?
Perhaps I need to read the whole posting when I have the time too.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Regardless of where the line is drawn at the individual level, it is wonderful that the law recognizes the difference between illegal behaviors (underage drinking, rape, etc.) and perceived deviant and immoral behaviors (homosexuality, sex before marriage, promiscuity, etc.).
That's all.

Sex before marriage and promiscuity and rape (in full definition), to me, can be connected on the same tree.
Laws just codify social actions.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I'll give you underage drinking, but surely you are not suggesting that rape, drug use, destruction of public property, theft and riot (or hazing, for that matter) happen in every chapter? (I have feeling that by "some fraternities," shinerbock meant "some chapters of some fraternities.") Because unless you are, the "some fraternities" fits.

Read RM threads and tell me.
Not every chapter, not every GLO, not every campus.
But in some combination of the above, yes.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Jon, I don't get what you're saying.
Because fraternities based on Christian tenets sometimes condone or ignore sinful behavior, they should openly welcome other sinful behavior? Maybe that is rational response in some universe, just not in mine.

What does rape have anything to do with it? I've certainly never been a part of any group that condones rape, or anything remotely close to rape. I hope you haven't either.

I do not condone rape at all. Yet I know it happens. I live every day knowing of at least one date rape that happened in my chapter while I was there.
And I am sure that "no" was taken as a "yes" more than once.
I am sure that your Saturday and Sunday mornings have been very much like reading Penthouse Letters a few times.
And the same can be said for the other issues I bought up and a list of more.

We as groups judge each other and others all the time.
During rush, during pledging and during Brother/Sisterhood.
You want to be part of a group that, for the most part, you fit in with well.
So, as pointed out by a few others here, is in not rather hypocritical to to turn your back on a person who may share everything but sexual preference and yet embrace a person who breaks laws or social contracts?