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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
We aren't talking about PWIs. You can start a thread on them if you want.
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Asinine statement. As soon as the term "HBCU" got thrown out there the point of reference became PWI's in terms of institutional direction, accountability, and the way this would have been handled. The question in effect became: If UCF, USF, UF, FSU, or even Sterling had messed up like this would there have been a call to close it? You know it. If we were talking about Higher Educational Institutions in general there would be no need to use the term "HBCU" or "PWI" in this discussion whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
This is qualitative information that are "facts" simply because I have read and heard the opinions myself. Reputation is based on both the objective and the subjective. In that case:
Many HBCU alum, administration, employers, graduate schools, general population people, etc. don't hold schools like Hampton and Howard in the same regard as they once did in terms of 1) academic rigor; 2) quality of student body; 3) preparation for the job market or graduate school; and 4) prestige (subjectively defined).
This isn't a point of debate as far as I'm concerned because for every person who respects HBCUs as a whole there will always be (more) people who don't. Simple as that.
ETA: I'm talking about the colleges and universities as a whole, not particular departments or programs. So mentioning a school's specific program to me doesn't dismiss the idea of it being a struggling HBCU as a whole. I'm also not talking about ALL HBCUs being sucky--there's one HBCU that I absolutely adore and it is one of the best schools in the national PERIOD, as far as I'm concerned.
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Sounds like your opinion and circle of sociality have been disguised as qualitative information. Well, as we all know you can't have qualitative without info without quantitative aspects and methodology. How many were surveyed? How many people don't respect HBCU's? How can we measure the quality of students at the institutions versus their predecessors? When did HBCU's become less academically rigorous? What institutions in specific? Unless you can answer those questions don't call it qualitative.
Plus, your last statement completely negates your earlier points. "There's one HBCU that I absolutely ador and it is one of the best schools in the national PERIOD" comes right after you say people don't respect HBCU's....
NEWS FLASH: I'm not flaming you. I'm just coming at you in the same way that LitAKAtor came at N4L. Just like she said his post about closing FAMU down was irresponsible I'm saying the same about yours.
All in all, this boils down to what I said before. We need to stress accountability for our institutions actions and stop giving our black people "who've made it" a pass to do whatever they feel like doing with our institutions. Whether it's the NAACP, FAMU, the National Urban League, whatever. If Spike Lee starts screwing up 40 Acres and a Mule I'm gonna be right there calling his ass out. These HBCU's and institutions are not here just for the alumni and students but ALL of us. I went to a PWI, but that doesn't mean I don't love HBCU's any less than some of the people that went there. I will call out ANYONE that either A)receives my tax money or B) is working in OUR interest...
Peace Out
Phrozen Genius
(From the state with more HBCU's than ANY OTHER STATE IN THE NATION!)
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