The growth of radical Christianity

[Rudey]

Shortfuse wanted to talk about it and I thought I would make a thread for him.

-Rudey

What do you mean by radical Christianity? Street preachers of suicide bombers?

[Rudey]

Oklahoma City was one example. And isn't McVeigh dead?

-Rudey

Originally posted by Shortfuse
Christian radicals, whether you want to discuss it or not, I find it funny that some (don't know your religion so I cna't include you on it) people are more than willing to talk about how brutal some religions are and won't see the bloody past of their own. When they do they don't put a religion on it. Oklahoma City in the mid 90s wasn't much said about dude's religion. You hear some (insert country here) are blowing things up. When stuff get's blown up in let's say for example Saudi Arabia, it's Islamic radicals. People are not believing t hat Muslims are a band of people going from place to place blowing ish up.

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
What do you mean by radical Christianity? Street preachers of suicide bombers?

Hate to stay on this but the KKK who preached christian values while murdering blacks at night.

Hitler preached Christian Values

"The national government ... will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality." - Adolf Hiter, The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

"Today Christians ... stand at the head of Germany ... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years." - Adolf Hitler. Ibid, pg. 871-872.

I can go on and on with examples if you need more.


My point of the last thread and this is that Radicals in both groups are not rising. They've always been there. Just kept it on the DL if you will.

[Rudey]

I don't know enough about the KKK but regarding Hitler, he wasn't doing it because of Christian values. He didn't murder 6 million Jews at any point because of Christian values. It's not even a point of interpretation given how he formed alliances with many non-Christians.

Regarding the KKK, were they a religious institution? Of course some might say the KKK doesn't kill any longer. It doesn't excuse their actions but there were the Crusades, there was the inquisition, there were the pogroms, but some might consider this the dark age of a religion. Do you know what I'm saying?

-Rudey

Originally posted by Shortfuse
Hate to stay on this but the KKK who preached christian values while murdering blacks at night.

Hitler preached Christian Values





I can go on and on with examples if you need more.


My point of the last thread and this is that Radicals in both groups are not rising. They've always been there. Just kept it on the DL if you will.

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by Rudey
I don't know enough about the KKK but regarding Hitler, he wasn't doing it because of Christian values. He didn't murder 6 million Jews at any point because of Christian values. It's not even a point of interpretation given how he formed alliances with many non-Christians.

Regarding the KKK, were they a religious institution? Of course some might say the KKK doesn't kill any longer. It doesn't excuse their actions but there were the Crusades, there was the inquisition, there were the pogroms, but some might consider this the dark age of a religion. Do you know what I'm saying?

-Rudey

I think that they were. But that is up for debate because people can argue differently. But they called themselves the WHITE CHRISTIAN KNIGHTS of the KKK.

I have to disagree about Hitler too.

We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years."

Unless somebody directly under him got him mixed up, it's safe to say he was talking about non-christians or better yet Jews. Hitler made pacts with non-christian societies only to further his Nazi goals. The Soviet Union kept him from fighting a war on 2 fronts (which he totally dismissed as soon as he "thought" the Soviets weren't able to stop him) and the Japanese were there to keep the Allies stretched out into the Far Pacific defending their possesions.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Shortfuse
Hitler preached Christian Values

Please cite an example of this.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Shortfuse
I think that they were. But that is up for debate because people can argue differently. But they called themselves the WHITE CHRISTIAN KNIGHTS of the KKK.

I have to disagree about Hitler too.



Unless somebody directly under him got him mixed up, it's safe to say he was talking about non-christians or better yet Jews. Hitler made pacts with non-christian societies only to further his Nazi goals. The Soviet Union kept him from fighting a war on 2 fronts (which he totally dismissed as soon as he "thought" the Soviets weren't able to stop him) and the Japanese were there to keep the Allies stretched out into the Far Pacific defending their possesions.

If Osama Bin Laden talks about liking hamburgers I don't consider his main goal to be eating hamburgers in life. Hitler also made pacts with Muslims and Arabs and, as you mentioned, the Japanese who were not Christian. He wasn't trying to enforce Church law and to strengthen the Church.

To me (this is my opinion), the KKK wishes to separate races. This is something that has been shared by other radical racial groups. To me Osama wants to conquer you and make you follow his version of Islam and to be governed by his Sharia. I don't think that the KKK is a religious organization because of that. And perhaps they have fused religion with racial separation, but then again I think it is racial separation that they want to spread and religion is not the epicenter of their beliefs.

-Rudey

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Please cite an example of this.

Since you decide to skip over it.

The national government ... will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality." - Adolf Hiter, The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.

[Shortfuse]

Originally posted by Rudey
If Osama Bin Laden talks about liking hamburgers I don't consider his main goal to be eating hamburgers in life. Hitler also made pacts with Muslims and Arabs and, as you mentioned, the Japanese who were not Christian. He wasn't trying to enforce Church law and to strengthen the Church.

To me (this is my opinion), the KKK wishes to separate races. This is something that has been shared by other radical racial groups. To me Osama wants to conquer you and make you follow his version of Islam and to be governed by his Sharia. I don't think that the KKK is a religious organization because of that. And perhaps they have fused religion with racial separation, but then again I think it is racial separation that they want to spread and religion is not the epicenter of their beliefs.

-Rudey

About the Klan that is why I said it's up for debate.

My opinion not saying it's right, but hte reason why I say that they were is this. They infused Christian values with seperating the races. Religion was a HUGE part of the KKK and there's no way (for me anyway) to see otherwise.

You think Bin Laden a hamburger guy?

[moe.ron]

The South African Apartheid Government used the bible to legitimized what they were doing. The church that provided the backing, the Dutch Reform Church, finally admitted to their part last year. Unfortunately, many in the Dutch Reform Church still hold the notion that the bible gave the whites in South Africa the right to persecute non-whites.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Shortfuse


You think Bin Laden a hamburger guy?

He's got diabetes so he's not gonna have a sweet tooth.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by moe.ron
The South African Apartheid Government used the bible to legitimized what they were doing. The church that provided the backing, the Dutch Reform Church, finally admitted to their part last year. Unfortunately, many in the Dutch Reform Church still hold the notion that the bible gave the whites in South Africa the right to persecute non-whites.

Religion was not the reason they were doing it though, regardless of whether they tried to legitimize it through a church. They were doing it to maintain control and power and, for some, a separation of races.

-Rudey

[Taualumna]

I'm wondering if "radical" Christianity is "growing" because of the media tactics that some churches use to promote themselves. This weekend, an article on the growth of fundementalist churches in suburban Canada appeared. It discussed also how "traditional" churches, who may or may not be more "liberal" are losing members.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1105130003853

p.s. the United Church of Canada and the Anglican Church no longer share a hymnal.

[AKA_Monet]

I have not done my research in a lonnnnggggg time to support my arguements, however I have found that many use religious icons with zeal for controlling the minds of the masses and mobs...

Tactics to forbid certain folks in doing things because a divine power could smite is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Just switch the dieties around and the epistemologies, and you have "mind control".

However, as a spiritual person, I do not find "religiousity" in and of itself oppressive, I find its power structure in religion inappropriately used. And based on my cultural heritage, one does not fool with the Universe--because it has a way of "reaping what is sown"... Or what comes around, goes around...

Look what happens to these vile folks that spew ugliness... Hitler commited suicide... Most of the Klansmen die lonely in a bad nursing home with no game and no teeth... And as far as Osama... Is he still alive and kicking for real--with his dialysis due to diabetes?

That's why evil just is not good, IMHO...

Or, there's a thin line between love and hate...

And don't hate, 'cuz it means you ain't gettin' any, or it ain't good. 'Cuz if you got some, and it was good--what reason wuld you have to hate???