Bush Wins

[Rudey]

Originally posted by cash78mere
do you realize when you make obnoxious comments to people about their opinions that it doesn't sit well with people and people respond?

everyone has a right to like/dislike something. get over it. i don't like bush and don't think the next 4 years will be good. you think they will. good for you.

You didn't just say you don't like Bush. You made an obnoxious comment and I responded.

You get over it lady. You have the biggest attitude problem ever and if you don't like what I write, put me on ignore. If you post lies, if you post something nasty, I will be right there to offer my own words.

-Rudey

[KillarneyRose]

Michael Moore has been strangely silent, hasn't he? He is the only Kerry supporter I would really enjoy saying "nah nah nah" to. Well, him and that record producer guy with the terrible overbite who used to date JLo. He annoyed me with his dumb "vote or die" logo.

[KSig RC]

Personally, i feel cashmere's post was insipid at best, but it's her right to be upset - but it will also be my right to tell her she's being insipid. This is the best game ever, huh.

Originally posted by ASUADPi
To cash78mere: I feel ya. I think these next four years are going to be incredibly long and depressing (now this is my personal opinion and I get that others aren't going to agree with it, but you should at least respect that it's my opinion). Heck, we'll probably be in a war the entire time. (Yes, I do have a problem with the war considering my brother is being sent overseas to fight in a war that he doesn't support and that he might LOSE HIS LIFE OVER).

I understand your outrage, and I have mad respect for your brother, but wasn't this more of a mutually exclusive decision than purely Bush's fault? I mean no disrespect, but I think you're directing emotion here that is really only going to drive us toward worse and worse discussion, as far as the site goes.

[ASUADPi]

As for my brother and this war. Maybe some people are in denial about the deal with it, but this war was started all because Bush claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq. Yet, they have found nothing to prove that there were weapons of any kind. And let's face it, they would have found something, even residual (spelling) chemicals of some kind. In my personal opinion (which of course y'all are welcome to disagree with) Bush started this war as a personal vendetta against Saddam. Need we not forget that Bush senior and Saddam had a tumptulous (sp) history. In fact if I remember my history correctly, Saddam threatened to kill Bush senior. So in my eyes over a 1000 US soldiers have lost their lives for no reason. This war wasn't about Terrorism, it was about personal vengeance. And as for the Terrorism aspect there has been no proof found that Al Quida or Bin Laden were directly "related" to Saddam or Iraq in any way.

So yes I do take in personally. Bush isn't going to pull our troops out of Iraq anytime soon. My brother will be on an 18 month deployment once he leaves for overseas (which is in December). So in my mind I don't expect this "war" to be over before 2007 and I find that completely and utterly pathetic. How many more soldiers need to die before we realize that we need to get out? I don't see this war ending until Bush is out of office. And god knows I hope and I pray that I am wrong on that latter opinion.

I hope and I pray that I am wrong on a lot of things I have seen and don't like about Bush. Because whether I like it or not this man is the president for the next four years. I just hope that things get better than get worse.



Politics are ugly. People have extremely strong opinions about certain matters. We all just need to learn to respect one anothers opinions. Some of my closest friends are Bush supporters and that is fine. I respect their opinions and they respect mine.

I think that people sometimes tend to forget that because we are online and not "directly" in front of the person we are talking to that respect sometimes flies out the window. Again, this is just my opinion.

[Rudey]

Kerry voted for the war in Iraq. Edwards voted for the war in Iraq.

When asked if knowing there were no WMD in Iraq would he still have voted to go to war in Iraq, Kerry said yes.

Never did Kerry say he was just going to pull the soldiers out of Iraq.

One man does not control everything.

-Rudey

Originally posted by ASUADPi
As for my brother and this war. Maybe some people are in denial about the deal with it, but this war was started all because Bush claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq. Yet, they have found nothing to prove that there were weapons of any kind. And let's face it, they would have found something, even residual (spelling) chemicals of some kind. In my personal opinion (which of course y'all are welcome to disagree with) Bush started this war as a personal vendetta against Saddam. Need we not forget that Bush senior and Saddam had a tumptulous (sp) history. In fact if I remember my history correctly, Saddam threatened to kill Bush senior. So in my eyes over a 1000 US soldiers have lost their lives for no reason. This war wasn't about Terrorism, it was about personal vengeance. And as for the Terrorism aspect there has been no proof found that Al Quida or Bin Laden were directly "related" to Saddam or Iraq in any way.

So yes I do take in personally. Bush isn't going to pull our troops out of Iraq anytime soon. My brother will be on an 18 month deployment once he leaves for overseas (which is in December). So in my mind I don't expect this "war" to be over before 2007 and I find that completely and utterly pathetic. How many more soldiers need to die before we realize that we need to get out? I don't see this war ending until Bush is out of office. And god knows I hope and I pray that I am wrong on that latter opinion.

I hope and I pray that I am wrong on a lot of things I have seen and don't like about Bush. Because whether I like it or not this man is the president for the next four years. I just hope that things get better than get worse.



Politics are ugly. People have extremely strong opinions about certain matters. We all just need to learn to respect one anothers opinions. Some of my closest friends are Bush supporters and that is fine. I respect their opinions and they respect mine.

I think that people sometimes tend to forget that because we are online and not "directly" in front of the person we are talking to that respect sometimes flies out the window. Again, this is just my opinion.

[phigamucsb]

ASUADPi you need to step away from the Kool Aid.

[AGDee]

Originally posted by hottytoddy
I'll say this. When it comes to politics: I am an American FIRST, republican second. I am obviously pleased about the outcome of the election. But if Kerry had won, I would still be American and I would support OUR President. I may not have liked it if Kerry had won, but that why we have an election...so everyone has a voice...and no one voice is better than the next. So can we please quit with the rude comments about our President and the "red states" and all? It's over... for now. You will have another chance to speak your voice in four years. But for now try to support our leader.

Can you explain to me exactly what you mean by "support our leader"? I'm not sure what types of actions you refer to when you say that. I do have respect for the office as it represents the most powerful man in the world, but I'm not going to blindly agree with things that Bush says or does simply because he is President. So, I'm curious what you mean by "support".

Thanks

Dee

[honeychile]

Originally posted by ASUADPi
As for my brother and this war. Maybe some people are in denial about the deal with it, but this war was started all because Bush claimed there were "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq. Yet, they have found nothing to prove that there were weapons of any kind. And let's face it, they would have found something, even residual (spelling) chemicals of some kind. In my personal opinion (which of course y'all are welcome to disagree with) Bush started this war as a personal vendetta against Saddam. Need we not forget that Bush senior and Saddam had a tumptulous (sp) history. In fact if I remember my history correctly, Saddam threatened to kill Bush senior. So in my eyes over a 1000 US soldiers have lost their lives for no reason. This war wasn't about Terrorism, it was about personal vengeance. And as for the Terrorism aspect there has been no proof found that Al Quida or Bin Laden were directly "related" to Saddam or Iraq in any way.

So yes I do take in personally. Bush isn't going to pull our troops out of Iraq anytime soon. My brother will be on an 18 month deployment once he leaves for overseas (which is in December). So in my mind I don't expect this "war" to be over before 2007 and I find that completely and utterly pathetic. How many more soldiers need to die before we realize that we need to get out? I don't see this war ending until Bush is out of office. And god knows I hope and I pray that I am wrong on that latter opinion.

I hope and I pray that I am wrong on a lot of things I have seen and don't like about Bush. Because whether I like it or not this man is the president for the next four years. I just hope that things get better than get worse.



Politics are ugly. People have extremely strong opinions about certain matters. We all just need to learn to respect one anothers opinions. Some of my closest friends are Bush supporters and that is fine. I respect their opinions and they respect mine.

I think that people sometimes tend to forget that because we are online and not "directly" in front of the person we are talking to that respect sometimes flies out the window. Again, this is just my opinion.

I completely understand from whence you speak, although you probably don't believe me.

Politics ARE ugly! One has to develop a tough skin and completely lose one's ego to be successful at it. I tried, and I'll be the first to say that I just don't have what it takes. I'm also not sure that I completely respect those who can - most especially the operatives, not the candidates.

My sister, ASUADPi, is quite passionate with her views, but tries to be fair. I respect her opinion, and can't help but wonder if I would feel the same, if I were in her shoes.

[omegamcgee]

Yep Bush wins again. Although I'm not quite sure how he pulled that off (I've heard rumors about the republicans putting up signs in hispanic areas that said election day was november 3rd, but that's just what I've heard), he did. I don't support him, and I'll move to Canada if there is a draft, but it's over and done with. Now all we can do is handle the repurcussions of this conservative, evangelical, bigot and his administration. Good luck to everyone, and here's to four more years...of HORROR!

[Rollergirl2001]

Originally posted by omegamcgee
Yep Bush wins again. Although I'm not quite sure how he pulled that off (I've heard rumors about the republicans putting up signs in hispanic areas that said election day was november 3rd, but that's just what I've heard), he did. I don't support him, and I'll move to Canada if there is a draft, but it's over and done with. Now all we can do is handle the repurcussions of this conservative, evangelical, bigot and his administration. Good luck to everyone, and here's to four more years...of HORROR!

I think that you better watch what you say about moving to Canada if there is a draft on this forum. I was bashed for saying that.

Oh, I apologize for saying that I would move to Canada if there was a draft. I was being insensitive. I'm sorry. Please forgive me.

Anyway, to cash78mere and ASUADPi, I feel you too. I was saying God help us after Bush won. I'll be fine for the next four years. I'll just survive it just like other anti-Bush people.

[hottytoddy]

Originally posted by AGDee
Can you explain to me exactly what you mean by "support our leader"? I'm not sure what types of actions you refer to when you say that. I do have respect for the office as it represents the most powerful man in the world, but I'm not going to blindly agree with things that Bush says or does simply because he is President. So, I'm curious what you mean by "support".

Thanks

Dee

I am talking about the people who are on here bashing the President. I mean one man can't lead the country forward by himself. He needs the help and support of all Americans. Are you going to agree with one candidate about every issue? No. But that's life. Everything doesn't always go the way we want it to. I don't agree with him about every single issue. But you find the candidate that BEST represents your views, and that's your vote. What I'm saying is the election is over so I wish everyone would quit being immature and quit bashing President Bush. Americans have to come together and not be so divided if we want to move forward. Otherwise were going to waste all of our time arguing with each other.

[preciousjeni]

Fair Tax has a chance! Yay! I voted Badnarik

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by hottytoddy
I am talking about the people who are on here bashing the President. I mean one man can't lead the country forward by himself. He needs the help and support of all Americans. Are you going to agree with one candidate about every issue? No. But that's life. Everything doesn't always go the way we want it to. I don't agree with him about every single issue. But you find the candidate that BEST represents your views, and that's your vote. What I'm saying is the election is over so I wish everyone would quit being immature and quit bashing President Bush. Americans have to come together and not be so divided if we want to move forward. Otherwise were going to waste all of our time arguing with each other.

I am not bashing Bush -- but I feel no need to "help him out" either. If he wants the country to come together, he has to earn it. So far he has done little but drive it apart, and I'm apprehensive that this will only get worse in the next four years now that he has much less to lose.

Bush's version of "forward" is very different from mine, and honestly I would rather spend the next four years squabbling and getting nothing done than to move "forward" in his direction. If he wants me, and the millions of other Democrats who are likeminded, to move forward, he is going to have to do something to earn the country's unity.

[mmcat]

bush...sigh...

[kddani]

Though who didn't vote for him don't have to support them. By virtue of being citizens in this great country, we also have every right to criticize his decisions, actions, plans, etc. This would be the same had Kerry won- those who voted for Bush would have every right to criticize him.

That's what this country was founded on- everyone should remember that from elementary school history.