Expansion - evening things out? - Page 8

g41965 · #**106** 12-24-2003, 07:10 PM

Firehouse :I think your post is very perceptive about the difference between men and women.

PhiPsiRuss · #**107** 12-24-2003, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Firehouse
Did you get the message I PM'd you a few days ago?

I did, thank you, and I returned it.

GeekyPenguin · #**108** 12-24-2003, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Glitter650
While I don't want "NPC pity"... I do want some recognition for my sorority... just because we have only 113 (maybe 114, I think I heard about a colony chartering this past semester) chapters DOESN'T mean that we are a substandard organization... I dislike feeling like people are looking down their nose at my sorority, I feel like that reading some of these threads.

I don't think it has anything to do with that - that's roughly the same amount of chapters that Gamma Phi Beta has currently open. I think it has to do with where you chose to colonize vs. where we chose to colonize, and where your early chapters were.

As an example, in Wisconsin, our Gamma chapter is at the UW. They built up a fabulous reputation for us, so when we wanted to expand to other schools in the UW system, it was easy to go to Oshkosh, Milwaukee, River Falls, and Platteville, and later to Marquette. We had the strong reputation because of them, and I'm sure this has to do with our prominence in some of the other Midwestern states, as well as California.

Glitter650 · #**109** 12-25-2003, 12:41 AM

I understand why some orgs. with the same # of chapters as Phi Sig may be more "well known" or bigger or have a better rep. because of the type of campus they are on, or the girls that joined a certain chapter....
What I DO NOT understand ( or appreciate) is the feeling that people on THIS BOARD seem to have such a bad view toward the "smaller orgs" what I was trying to get across in my previous post is that I think we would all (members of said "smaller NPCs") like some respect, and for people to acknowledge that yeah... Phi Sig does some great things... or A E Phi has this great national programming... I don't see that happening enough around here 'nuff said.

Tippiechick · #**110** 12-25-2003, 02:22 AM

I think you should get over the inferiority complex you seem to have. I don't understand why you seem to think that people on THIS BOARD have it in for smaller orgs. Yes, there have been comments made as to how people have perceived "smaller glo's." But, I firmly believe you are making your situation into a self-fulfilling prophecy... You seem to tell everyone that your org can't get any respect. I feel as though you are so used to saying how your org can't get respect that you have begun to believe that your org isn't respected and in turn are giving everyone here the idea that your org can't get respect.

My mother always told me that if I didn't respect myself, nobody would bother respecting me either.

Just because people might never have heard of Phi Sig shouldn't be of great concern... A lot of my sisters, such as myself, had never heard of ZTA until we went to a college where they were on campus. It has a lot to do with where your chapters are located.

You are a part of a great GLO. And, I hate to see a fellow Greek
so upset.

ETA: I don't think anyone disputes that all GLOs are great contributors in their philanthropy. And, I don't think anyone would say that the so-called smaller glo's don't do any good for the community.

ETA again... : I removed some rather Scrooge-ish comments after realizing how harsh they truly were.

Peaches-n-Cream · #**111** 12-25-2003, 02:39 AM

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Originally posted by Tippiechick
Glitter, I am sure that this will offend you. But, please note that it is meant with the best intentions only...

I think you should get over the inferiority complex you seem to have. I don't understand why you seem to think that people on THIS BOARD have it in for smaller orgs. Yes, there have been comments made as to how people have perceived "smaller glo's." But, I firmly believe you are making your situation into a self-fulfilling prophecy... You seem to tell everyone that your org can't get any respect. Well, stop whining about it and do something productive toward the cause. I feel as though you are so used to saying how your org can't get respect that you have begun to believe that your org isn't respected and in turn are giving everyone here the idea that your org can't get respect.

My mother always told me that if I didn't respect myself, nobody would bother respecting me either.

Just because people might never have heard of Phi Sig shouldn't be of great concern... A lot of my sisters, such as myself, had never heard of ZTA until we went to a college where they were on campus. It has a lot to do with where your chapters are located.

You are a part of a great GLO. And, I hate to see a fellow Greek
so upset.

ETA: I don't think anyone disputes that all GLOs are great contributors in their philanthropy. And, I don't think anyone would say that the so-called smaller glo's don't do any good for the community.

Question: If you are sure that something will offend someone, why write it?

Glitter650 · #**112** 12-25-2003, 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by Tippiechick
Glitter, I am sure that this will offend you. But, please note that it is meant with the best intentions only...
Well, stop whining about it and do something productive toward the cause

Well you didn't offend me unil that little comment... so let me just let you know.... I am a damn proud phi sig and do my best to help my sorority whenever I can. I have served my chapter as scholarship chair, scribe, tribune, and membership recruitment. I won an award at our holiday dinner for having the highest participation points in the chapter... Now that I will be alum I am an advisor in training and I have written to our HQ to let them know I am ready and willing to volunteer my time and talent in any form necessary, and I donate to foundation.

I really wasn't trying to be whiny. I was simply trying to point out that maybe ALL of greek chat needs to spread some positivity instead of always getting so sort of competitive all the time... I mean even simple threads like the thread about organization firsts turned into people squabbling about who really was "truly founded as a greek letter org. first" my post was really a simple can't we all just get along.. I apologize if I sounded whiny it truly wasn't my intention.. I don't know maybe I've just been experiencing too much negative things in general.... but really all I was saying was let's just try and learn and appreciate each other instead of constantly comparing and being sorta competitive... Thank You and G nite MERRY CHRISTMAS

Tippiechick · #**113** 12-25-2003, 03:50 AM

I completely agree. I believe that there are too many posts bickering about who was the first to use Greek letters, first sorority, etc.

And, after a LONG night with the in-laws, I guess the negativity just came flowing out of me.

I just wanted to emphasize that those of us in so-called larger GLOs DO respect those in so-called smaller GLOs.

I don't understand the fascination with categorizing GLOs into small pigeonholes such as most elite/ largest/smallest/ best/worst...

Merry Christmas

sugar and spice · #**114** 12-25-2003, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by Tippiechick

I just wanted to emphasize that those of us in so-called larger GLOs DO respect those in so-called smaller GLOs.

I don't understand the fascination with categorizing GLOs into small pigeonholes such as most elite/ largest/smallest/ best/worst...

Labelling things is just human nature.

But I agree with the first point.

I think some people are too quick to infer things that are not being said. I will be the first to say that when an NPC organization is smaller, that usually means less money, and less money means that they probably will not be able to compete with the larger (and thus generally richer) groups when it comes to expansion opportunities -- and that's what I've been saying throughout this thread. That may or may not be justified but that's how things are. But that doesn't mean that I respect the smaller organizations any less. There are a lot of things that I do really like about many of the smaller organizations and I have talked about them in other posts -- but that's not so much what we're discussing here.

I think one thing that is easily forgotten is that while we love the sorority we ended up in, for most of us this is pretty much a random act of chance. I'm a Tri Delt but I was damn close to being an AEPhi. When I transferred schools I contemplated going to Beloit College and UW-Stevens Point and if so I would have looked very closely at AST at Beloit and DPhiE at Stevens Point (each campus has only one national group and I was more interested in nationals than locals). It would be silly for any of us to look down on a group for being smaller nationally (or larger nationally, or more or less "elite," or having more or fewer chapters in the South, or . . .) when most of us could have probably pretty easily ended up as a member of a group that IS smaller nationally.

33girl · #**115** 12-26-2003, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Firehouse
when women confront chaos they seek to impose order. When men confront chaos, they seek the advantage of opportunity.

Yes, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I've never heard a man say he cleans the house when he is ticked off.

and for everyone who's saying "don't be so oversensitive" and things like that...all I can say is, until you walk in someone's shoes, and have their experiences, you don't know how they feel.

James · #**116** 09-06-2004, 09:57 PM

I am still laughing at this.

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Originally posted by 33girl
Yes, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. I've never heard a man say he cleans the house when he is ticked off.

feel.

Firehouse · #**117** 09-07-2004, 01:03 AM

What is the Genesis Project? I saw reference in this thread awhile back to "The Genesis Project" and a comment about how all the University Presidents were hot to see it implemented (God help us, whatever it is). I Googled genesis project and got a long string of things, from quantum physics to New Testament mysticism. Nothing that looked Greek-related.

33girl · #**118** 09-07-2004, 09:35 AM

Here you go Firehouse.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=41027

CASIGKAP · #**119** 09-07-2004, 02:08 PM

I know that at my school when a chapter is struggling, all the rest of the organizations help them out in every way possible.

Firehouse · #**120** 09-07-2004, 02:19 PM

Thanks 33girl. I should have known/guessed what it was. A few years ago those ghastly "PAR" people showed up here with a wad of cash from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Grim, humorless people, dark-clothed, Taliban-like. They put money in the hands of the local police as rewards for harrassing students. The only joy they seem to find is in punishing young people.
Of course my view is not universal. Fortunately, the University is trying a variety of approaches - not just the PAR inquisition - like partnering with the local beer distributors to promote responsible drinking. The real culprit, I think, is the 18-drinking age. One of my pals is the chapter advisor for another fraternity on campus and he says what the undergrads do now is hold "pre-party parties" where they tank up as fast as possible, then drive to the main party where they're not allowed to drink. He says, "At least if theyre drinking in the fraternity house where their friends are looking out for them, they're not driving. These rules are actually encouraging them to drink and drive!"