The history of sororities

[ThetaPrincess24]

yes, not to mention you come here to GC out of the blue posting a claim like that. You offer no solid evidence or proof to back up your claim. So I dont mean to come across as a being snotty to you, but making a claim like that without anything to offer to back it up other than just your word is bogus and does not fly.

Also if you will click on the following links, you will see that after our Alpha chapter was founded at DePauw which as someone has already corrected is in INDIANA, not Illinois, you will see that we quickly opened up new chapters of Theta that same year on other campuses, thus making us "local" very short lived, as goes for the other three women's groups that formed before us.

http://www.kappaalphatheta.org/kat_v...ry/history.cfm

http://www.kappaalphatheta.org/forms/pdf/chap_roll.pdf

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by PhiNuBlue
The history on the net states "Kappa Alpha Theta was organized at DePauw University in 1870 as the first Greek-letter society for women." No where does it say national or local. If this is true Phi Nu...the local at MacMurray College...was established on December 8, 1853...would come before them. We actually go by Phi Nu Society and we are planning our 150th anniversary right now. While some of the other organizations did come before us, it took about 50 years for them to become greek. What kind of proof would you like?? We don't have a lot on the net b.c we are local and we are so old and then net is so new.

The net is at least 10 years old but anyway...show us your charter. Scan it in! Show us your minutes from your first meeting, show us evidence somewhere besides GreekChat.com that you're that old. It definitely is possible, my chapter is not much younger than yours, but we a) didn't use greek letters right away and b) can back up our age with a whole lot of documentation.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

interesting that Phi Nu is only becoming concerned about this *now*. And not even Phi Nu but this ONE member.

[DGMarie]

if this thread had been started in a different way, as an informative post and not a defensive posture. With links or descriptive facts about this unknown group and its history, members, charter etc, instead of off the cuff remarks that knowingly would cause others to get their feathers (or kites!) ruffled.

In a positive light, you'd have kindled our curiosity and interest instead of ire.

[MTSUGURL]

I find it very interesting to learn about other locals, especially with such a long and rich history as yours must be. If you and your sisters would be interested in putting togeth a website and need any help with it, let me know - not only is it fun to put it together and show off what your sisterhood has to offer, it's a great recruitment tool. Congratulations on your 150th!

[OrigamiTulip]

Campus History (taken from http://www.mac.edu/campus/camp_history.html)

"MacMurray College dates its history from 1846 when a group of Methodist clergymen, led by Peter Cartwright and Peter Akers, founded it as the Illinois Conference Female Academy. The first class was held in 1848. The school was renamed the Illinois Conference Female College in 1851, with the name changed again to Illinois Female College in 1863...... More serious pursuits included student support for Union efforts during the Civil War and the development of Belles Lettres and Phi Nu, literary societies designed to promote "independent thought and accurate habits of composition," according to the 1856 catalog."

Well, Phi Nu was around in at least 1856, but theres nothing to note when they actually opened, and if they ever closed and later reopened.

[PhiNuBlue]

We have a website but it's pretty much just pictures right now. You people are pretty rude. My bad I typed something wrong at 4 in the morning...heaven forbid I make a mistake. Maybe we are first now concerned with it b/c we didn't realize it until just now. And being national or local really didn't have anything to do with it.

www.geocities.com/PhiNuBlue1853/PhiNuindex.html


No we never closed. We are celebrating our 150th anniversary this December.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by PhiNuBlue
We have a website but it's pretty much just pictures right now. You people are pretty rude. My bad I typed something wrong at 4 in the morning...heaven forbid I make a mistake. Maybe we are first now concerned with it b/c we didn't realize it until just now. And being national or local really didn't have anything to do with it.

www.geocities.com/PhiNuBlue1853/PhiNuindex.html


No we never closed. We are celebrating our 150th anniversary this December.

Did anybody else just click on "View Source" and notice that website was just made?

When it all comes down to it, what matters to those of us in the NPC isn't who was first (ADPi) or first to use Greek letters (Kappa Alpha Theta in the NPC) or first to use sorority (Gamma Phi Beta), but that all of us have a sisterhood spanning the nation (and in some cases, Canada!) and we've managed to unite together to provide a wonderful sisterhood experience to as many women as possible. Phi Nu is not now, nor has ever been, a member of the NPC, so it's irrelevant in our stories of "Who was first in the NPC to...." This is not to say that your sisterhood is irrelevant, because it certainly isn't, but one local sorority cannot compete with the myriads of NPCs. When we speak of who was first to, we are almost always referring to our individual conferences or national organizations. Does that leave out locals? Yes. One thing you should already know as a member of a local is that you aren't going to be as well-known or recognized as an NPC. That's a choice you made by not going national or being colonized by a national.

[ThetaPrincess24]

I didnt think about clicking on view source, but i did just click there and it is temporarily down.

[PhiNuBlue]

It doesn't matter if our website is brand new. Someone above proved we exisit. 150 years of history is a lot for me to upload for you guys and I shouldn't have to sit here and prove every little detail to you guys. Nice greek community you all have here. If someone wants to tell me where to upload a pic or scan let me know and I'll show you how old we are. Sorry if I came off rude on the first post b/c that wasn't at all how I meant it but you guys definately make me feel like I have to be b/c of all the attacks I'm getting.

And leaving locals out of the history of greek societies is awful b/c everyone started out the same and we are just as much greek as you. It's really rude to say that locals don't matter in the history. You don't have to be national to matter. If that is the way it is then it's not really sisterhood.

[DGMarie]

Have you ever contacted Theta's HQ to present your case? Just curious.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

don't know that PhiNuBlue is paying that much attention to actually READING other posts.....

[SoCalGirl]

Don't know if ya'll bothered to read her other posts, but she's been on GC a couple months and mentioned it at least twice before. So please don't jump on her for this being "out of the blue". Though I'd like to see some evidence myself before I accept it as a fact, her lack of supporting evidence on the internet does not autmatically mean she is wrong.

PhiNuBlue,

Do you know if your sorority maybe started out with a different name at first? Like ADPi, Phi Mu, and Pi Phi?

I hope your sorority enjoys their anniversary!

[Lady Pi Phi]

Just and observation...

but according to the information BetaRose posted, it said that Phi Nu was established as a literary society. Kappa Alpha Theta is a social sorority (fraternity for women). Technically they can't be classified as the same. So, while Phi Nu might be older (and congratulations on 150 years), Kappa Alpha Theta and Phi Nu are 2 different types or organizations.

As someone said before, we all have our firsts.

You're intial post came of as very defensive, and we understand that you want your history to be recognized. Some of us just responded with the same tone you took. No one here is trying to deny you your organizations history. We are curious about it as many of us have never heard of it before, and we are just asking for a little proof to back up your statements. It's only natural. I'm sure you would want proof if I came on here and told you something that you had thought to be wrong, was really true. You would want evidence to back up my claims, wouldn't you?
All we would like is a little more info. You may not have a website, but is there anywhere we can research information on your group? Are you listed in Baird's Manual? A point in the right direction would help us out.

I want to apoligize if I came off rude. I never meant to attack you or your organization. I'm just trying to find out more about Phi Nu.

[MTSUGURL]

slight hijack: Are local fraternities, sororities, or other local organizations listed in Baird's Manual? (I've never seen a copy... never heard of it until GC.)