Black Men and White Women Is it a Problem?

This is in response (not retaliation) to pretty:

I have read all your replies in all the posts. I am intrigued by your strong personal beliefs and curious as to the cause. What happened to make you believe so strongly that the world exists as you vs the entire white race?

I am a white, middle-class, American male. Based on your posts, I am the epitome of all that you hate. If we were to run into each other on the street, would you scoff at me? If I were crying out for help, would you walk away?
Remember, you don’t know me; to you I am just another white menace keeping you from achieving your goals.

I can tell you this; even if I knew who you were, and what your beliefs are, I would be the first to smile and say hello. Were you in need of help, I would reach out my hand. Were you hurt, I would assist. Would you pay me the same courtesy? Where is your line? When do you put away the hate to recognize that you can love and be loved by anyone from any race?

thank you "just an observer". you have made your point well!

[mgdzkm433]

I've learned a lot from this whole message board, to say the least. I've learned when things get heated, just keep your mouth shut. Despite the fact that it might not be the best defense, I've found that in message boards, people LOVE to see you get mad. Sometimes it's the whole point of a post! The way I see it, nothing negative has to be said at all in most of these posts, just state you opinion, leave out the specifics that will, in most cases, offend someone, and the topic would be fine. Topics such as this are fueled by tempers. The more and more you defend, the more and more you get mad. So my suggestion would be, if you feel yourself getting angry at any post, offended by any post, just drop it and move on, because like many people have said, nobody will change anybody's mind. There is no use in getting angry or defensive. I myself have been such, and I find myself in an even worse state of mind when I defend myself to no end. I realize that not everyone is like this, but to those of you that feel your temperature rising, think before you post. Are you really going to make a point or give someone some satisfaction. I hope that this turn around in posts continues, and I'm glad that there really is no longer much tension. When we feel strongly about something, we tend to want EVERYONE to feel and think like we do, and that is not possible. So, like I said, think before you post. This is just some friendly advice. Take it or leave it.

[Monique]

Just an Observer.. you need to shut the **** up... What right do yo white ass has to tell someone to stop crying over slavery? ANd just because we were not there does not mean shit. Our ancestors were. What you think that it was alright to hang from a tree/ I guess it was alright to have your family sold from you. And I guess it was alright to be beaten down like a fuckin animal. Hey lets take you and put you on a poll and whip the shit out of you cause just because I wanted to. Or better yet, lets brand you so other whites can know that you belong to me.I can't believe you just said that. And I wouldn't look the way I do today if your ancestors would have stayed out of my ancestors fuckin bed. But I guess you are for rape huh. So don't tell me SHIT about slavery. Everytime I look In the mirror, I'm going to cry, Everytime I see a mixed baby, I should cry, Everytime I hear The word Nigger I am going to cry. Everytime I see a white person I should cry. I cry evertime I here the word You people. So don't try to get on here and start with that I wasn't there shit cause it dosen't work!! What you and the rest of your "white supporters" need to do is take a african-american class and get some knowledge into that space what you call a brain. I "Hate" people like you who try to justify slavery. It burns me up. And even though hate is such a strong word.... your ass deserves it and soooooooo muchhh more!!

to deja vu and monique-

you show your ignorance and stupidity when you talk the way you do. you are an angry person because you are stupid. plain and simple. no one is responsible for crimes of the past except for the people who lived then. i have hung no one in my life, and you have never been tied to a tree either. don't talk trash. and actually, i have taken MANY african-american classes while at college. it was very interesting to me. i understand that many horrible crimes happened in the PAST, but obviously we are trying to overcome that today. stop your crying and complaining and cussing. i don't owe you ANYTHING. just like you don't owe me or my race anything. SO JUST GO TO COLLEGE AND GET AN EDUCATION SO YOU CAN STOP SOUDING LIKE A WHINY 5 YEAR OLD.

that's my 2 cents

[Monique]

Like I said. Once we say stuff that no one likes were stupid and we need to go do something. Oh well I still say kiss my ass until I die. Thank You and have a nice day.

[SilverTurtle]

deja vu posted

Nothing can ever be done to atone for those crimes and y'all bitch asses can't even fix your mouths to say, "I sorry that my Great Granddaddies or whoever worked your ancestors for free,like mules to build this country while me and the rest of my white race have lived a life of priviledge so I can pledge these "good ole boy or daughters of the confederacy GLOs and continue to move in elite circles of priviledge".

Most (if not all) of my direct ancestors weren't even in this country during slavery and the Civil War. But you just assumed that all white people are descendent from racists and slave owners. I will be one of the first people to admit that what happened to the black race in America was both terrible and inexcusable. And that they are still suppressed, to different degrees, today. (Along with any other minority you care to name).

As Mikki said, I'm not going to change your mind. But I would hope that for the minute or 2 that you are reading some of these posts, you could at least consider another perspective. After all, that's what you're asking me to do when you want me to apologize for people I don't know, am not related to, nor would have agreed with in the past. And just so you know, I am sorry that all of that has happened. I don't feel guilty about it, it had nothing to do with me, but it's still a terrible thing.

If you (and I mean everyone reading this) can't at least entertain the ideas someone else offers, whether or not you agree with them, then you will remain ignorant. Because you will never be able to see beyond your own little world and its viewpoint. This board is here so that we can learn from each other.



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Phi Beta Fraternity
Phi chapter

Hey, all I can do is thankGod for thoseof you who believe that all is well. Well Iam very aware of the prescence of the Klan. I live in the country(in SC). My neighborhood is sperated/segreagated into the Indian,Black, and white hoods. We all road the schoolbuses together. Some people dated and soforth. My cousin owns a store and white,black, and indians go there. BUT......the majority of those whites are in the klan. Hell they hold meetings less than 2 miles from where I live. So I am very aware of my surroundings. AND.....When the message was said that it would be best for us tocelebrate the NEW Year inside of our houses....racism kicked me once again in the ass. So call me ignorant ....call me bitter... or whatever...
All I can say is don't sleep..
I don't blame all white people....But racism is learned and past down from generation to generation...just the same as we as black people have been taught to be racisist against eachother

black is dirty, light isbeautiful
kinky/nappy hair is terrible
fat is ugly,skinny is better
and etc...
We as a race still have not been able to break that slave mentality...

Have you ever noticed that most white women whojoin black sororities only date and marry black men? Is this so theycan fit in? Mybestfriend and I were talkinabout this. Is this the white person's way of saying you can never have anything of your own....I will always be there to watch over you and regulate....Well watchand regulate are extreme but what are people's thoughts on this. I plan to post this under a new topic.

[12dn94dst]

this is all very interesting....the majority of caucasian posters are saying, in essence, slavery happened a long time ago, i wasn't there so just forget about it. and the majority of african-americans are saying, in essence, it's a part of my heritage so i can't forget it....

who was it that said those who forget history are destined to repeat it? just a thought......

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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

[deja vu]

Black men, white women...who cares.

I don't care how cool you may think some white folks are, it's always during times like these when their true colors show. When it comes to race...their down for theirs and I'm down for mine. All that Human Race talk is a bunch of bullshit. I don't feel threatened by white women and/or the alleged lack of eligible Black Kings.
Do I hold on the things that happened to my ancestors and hate all white folk for it?...No!
But that shit ain't forgotten or forgiven. It is written that the sins of the father will pass on to the sons, it's been that way since Adam and Eve so fuck all the "I wasn't born then shit" cause y'all asses have and will continue to benefit from crimes against my people and others. We have every right to be pissed the fuck off about it when the subject comes up!!! Nothing can ever be done to atone for those crimes and y'all bitch asses can't even fix your mouths to say, "I sorry that my Great Granddaddies or whoever worked your ancestors for free,like mules to build this country while me and the rest of my white race have lived a life of priviledge so I can pledge these "good ole boy or daughters of the confederacy GLOs and continue to move in elite circles of priviledge".

So really...if you can't say what needs to be said----"SHUT THE FUCK UP BI-ITCH"



[This message has been edited by deja vu (edited May 30, 2000).]

[HER_STORY]

as an african-american woman.....i think that the best thing that we as a people can do is to know our history, become educated, make sure that our decendents are educated, acquire knowledge of self and become financially stable and stay alert. that is the only way that you are/will become an asset to your family,community and race/ethnic group. yes racism does exist both directly and indirectly there is no denying that. i face racism every day at work but i laugh at them because for one i am more educated then them and i make more $$$$$$. so i let them act stupid and guess what?..... they have to come crawling back to me to ask me how to do a procedure. and i simply ignore them!!!!!! so what i am saying is that coming to the forum going on and on about the past is not productive at all. and yes i know that if you do not know your history you will be doomed to repeat it but being a mature adult means (amongst other things) knowing which battle is worth the fight.....this arguement has grown stale and is sooooooo counter productive to us all. so mr. moderator would you please close this thread, so we can all have a peace of mind.

[mgdzkm433]

I don't think that ANYONE should forget about slavary and the civil war. Not just because of what happened, but because it's a part of most american's heritige (most meaning that not all americans have roots back that far). What happened is a terrible, enexcusable thing. I really don't know if my roots in america stem back that far or not. I have a LOT of respect for the many black women and men that survived that time period, moved on, and began a whole new life. It was hard, racism was beyond prevelant, and many of the people of that time died. NOBODY should forget about what happened, Black OR White. I also feel for the many Irish men that died at the hands of americans. Most americans don't realize that after the civil war, and slavary was abolished, irish men were HEAVILY discriminated against. They were treated like dogs. And most books will tell you that they were treated WORSE than the slaves. Racism is still prevelent to this day, unfortunatly. We see it everyday, affecting all peoples, not just black. Where does it stop? Instead of arguing about it, why don't we come up with some solutions as how we can change things. Someone asked what I was doing about, well tell me what you WANT me to do about it. How can I help? In an ideal world we will all live in peace, but this isn't an ideal world, we can only work to achieve perfection, and make our lives better, so tell me how we can help. The only way to solve these problems is to work together. We DO need to learn from the past, and I think that most of us have, but healing takes time, years, centuries. . . We have to live with the past, the burning times, slavary, the holicost (sp?), segrigation/racisim, discrimination, women's sufferage. We are all most likely linked to something in the past, and the only thing we can do besides argue about it, is come up with solutions.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited May 31, 2000).]

alot of whites say forget slavery pick yourself up and make it it happen. (we have and will continue to do this) but who are you to tell us what we need to do as if you can even relate. ok say we do forget slavery and we shouldn't, but say we do, what about the civil rights movement? what about all the lynchings then, inability to eat and sleep in hotels, shop in stores, drink out of the same water fountain, separate but equal (what a joke) that was not long ago my parents lived thru that, no civil rights whatsoever, we were no longer slaves but we were still not free to take advantage of the basic human rights (but your parents were, no maybe your parents didn't think it was cool to see blacks treated this way but it didn't stop them from going to the theater, shopping, eating and enjoying their freedom did it nope) i wonder how well the whites would fair if put in our situation with no one to look down at. ok that was just a few years ago, but white people say hey forget about that pick your self up and move on (we have we will continue to). Ok say we do forget the civil rights movement where a non violent man like Martin Luthern King Jr. was shot to death because he wanted equality for all mankind. and we won't forget. but say we do. well what about today when black men are automatically considered more criminal in nature, get stiffer sentences then do whites for similiar crimes.
when blacks are stoped far more by police because they look suspicious (meaning they are black) Where police can shoot at young blacks youths for target pratice (unarmed youths i might add) and get off. but of course we should forget about it right. How can you free a people who served as forced labor for over 200 years, you strip them of their ancestory, history, language, family ties, self esteem and when you are forced to let them free you say ok i've used you and kept you uneducated and you have no savings, your family i've sold across the country, go and be my equal, rise to where i have risen only you have to do it the hard way (no free labor for you), you have to work for generations to even try to catch up to where i am. for you its in the past, for you its not a matter of life or death, your life was not hampered by our destruction (and for you northern cowards who didn't own slaves but participated in the discrimination by saying i don't mind if they are free they are God's creators but they are inferior to us and we must not associate with them or accept them into our circles, lawd forbid they want to marry our white women) at least our men would have the decency to marry your white women, white men just raped black women no wonder most black women don't want their grandchildren next to us today. of course white people say forget about it, forget about it, cause if we forget about it, it will ease their own guilty conscious not for the past but for what they are doing today.

a little test so you say you are not racist.
If your parents think you should only date whites, they are racist.
If you think you are better, or more valuable then a black person then you are racist.

And don't start saying how whites got it hard too, whatever, what ever problems you have we have too and then we have an added problem and that is your deep rooted racists actions towards us blatant or subtle. go ahead ask yourself are you racist, you may be susprised to find that you are, remember you don't have to hang black folks from trees to be racist there are several categories you can fit in.

just an observer, thanks for the comment. But, I have to agree with Monique in that you cannot justify slavery by saying "if slavery never happened, you would have never been born here, and never would have had the life you now know." The USA is a country full of immigrants, except for the American Indians. So it's very possible that if there was never a period of slavery, many Africans may still have immigrated to the Americas in search of the opportunities offered here. If there was never a period of slavery, there would be a number of differences I would expect, mainly the level of tension between white/black people to be much, much less than it is now. I'm sure there would still be some problems because of skin color differences, just nowhere near as much. But, how can you ever really tell what could have been? Maybe racism would be much greater, but there wouldn't have been the history of slavery. This is starting to sound like an episode of Sliders, so on to my next comments...


deja vu writes:
"It is written that the sins of the father will pass on to the sons" & "...and y'all bitch asses can't even fix your mouths to say, "I sorry that my Great Granddaddies or whoever worked your ancestors for free..."

How do you determine between the sons whose fathers committed the crimes of slavery and the sons whose fathers
died in a war to end slavery? If you're asking for an apology, who do you ask it from? How do you know whose granddaddies "worked your ancestors for free" and whose didn't? You surely can't say that it's just anyone that is white. You can't say that all white people's ancestors were slave owners. If that were the case, the south would have devastated the north during the civil war. There would have been no separation of states & no war to unite the country. The majority of population during that time lived in the northern cities participating in the industrial revolution. The northern armies outnumbered the southern armies by far. The white people who wanted slavery were in the minority, & that's why they lost the war. So today, their decendants are also the minority of white people, not the majority. I don't agree with the statement "that the sins of the father will pass on to the sons", I'm only debating the point.


shalom says:
"the majority of those whites are in the klan"

I would disagree if you said the majority of all whites were in the klan, or if you said that all whites were racist. But I do agree that it is possible that the majority of whites in that specific area/neighborhood/whatever are in the klan. I cannot speak facts because I am not from the area you are referring to, but I'm sure it's possible. I know many white people (along with other ethnicities, of course), but I do not know anyone in the klan. Several (white) people I know do have issues with racism, but these people are probably less than 1 percent of the white people I know. But, I'm sure it depends on where you live. If I lived in shalom's area those numbers would surely be different.


shalom says:
"When the message was said that it would be best for us tocelebrate the NEW Year inside of our houses....racism kicked me once again in the ass."

I remember hearing something about this on the news. That was an awful situation.


12dn94dst wrote:
"the majority of caucasian posters are saying, in essence, slavery happened a long time ago, i wasn't there so just forget about it."

I guess this all depends on how people interpret statements & what the authors intended to communicate. My interpretation is that the majority of white people are saying that slavery happened a long time ago, I wasn't there so... don't hold ME accountable for crimes committed by other people. Do not treat ME differently because certain white people committed those crimes long ago. I didn't do it, I wouldn't do it, I don't do it - so do not treat me like I did/would or do. Treat me for who I am, not for who you think I am because I am white.


12dn94dst wrote:
"who was it that said those who forget history are destined to repeat it? just a thought......"

I agree with that. We should never forget our history, we all need to learn from our past in order progress from it.


Really wrote:
"Ok say we do forget the civil rights movement where a non violent man like Martin Luthern King Jr. was shot to death because he wanted equality for all mankind."

I think Martin LKJ would have continued to make an incredible impact in this world if he were not killed. For anyone who does not know much history about him, he was NOT one sided. He was NOT all for black people and noone else. He had a great ability to see beyond the boundaries of color. He wanted a better world FOR EVERYONE. He deserves much respect.


Really wrote:
"a little test so you say you are not racist."
"If your parents think you should only date whites, they are racist."

I guess this also means that if your parents think you should only date blacks, they are racists as well? This does not only apply to whites, correct?


Really wrote:
"If you think you are better, or more valuable then a black person then you are racist."

Just to clarify, I take it that you mean "If you think you are better, or more valuable than another person because of their color, then you are a racist."