Who's Out? Interesting site about gay members of greek orgs - Page 3

33girl · #31 08-15-2002, 11:31 PM

I don't think anyone is saying "not in my entire national GLO are there any gay people!" I think we all realize there are, and honestly, I could give a crap if one of my sisters wants to dance around with an "I'M GAY" sign on their head. The thing is that this site seems to have incorrect info or stuff that hasn't been thoroughly checked out which makes people uneasy.

KappaTarzan · #32 08-16-2002, 12:07 AM

there is also no Sigma Kappa Epsilon at my school, and someone is listed as it there

sororitygirl2 · #33 08-16-2002, 12:39 AM

First of all, I want to start out by saying that I was NEVER denying the fact that there are gays and lesbians in GLOs... I am fully aware that there are. I was just citing information that shows that the "ten percent" rule of gay and lesbians is not quite accurate.

Unfortunately, I do not have the exact studies that I garnered this information from as it was over a year ago. However, here are several other items that support this:

-According to what I learned in a class (this is supported in actual published works, I just don't know which ones), the ten percent figure is based off flawed and misleading studies from the 40s and 50s.

-According to Census 2000 figures, there are a total of 106,741,426 households in the U.S., only .42% of those are unmarried same-sex households. This is less than one percent.

For instance, a nationwide random sample of 5,514 first-year Canadian college students under age 25 found that only 1% considered themselves bisexual and another 1% homosexual. A national poll showed that 2.4 percent of U.S. voters in the 1992 presidential election described themselves as homosexual.

sororitygirl2 · #34 08-16-2002, 12:47 AM

Sorry, I had issues posting before I got all that formatted and stuff... anyway, that was my point... just that studies show that approximately two to four percent of the general population is homosexual. Therefore, obviously there are homosexuals in every national GLO, but not necessarily in each chapter.

Not that it matters either way... it was just a comment.

DGTracy · #35 08-16-2002, 01:09 AM

I'm okay with greeks who are gay but I don't know if I trust some of the listings. Like there's one for Delta Sigma Phi at UC Irvine. There isn't even a chapter there, unless Delta Sig's national website just doesn't have it listed.

PiKA2001 · #36 08-16-2002, 03:02 AM

Interesting. I know someone who is on the list. Not someone in my org or even my school, but the kid is in a gay fraternity so i'm not surprised.

zchi2 · #37 08-16-2002, 09:20 AM

Like I said before, I only stated my opinion on the matter. When people say that there are reports saying that it is actually 3 to 4 percent, then that is no longer an opinion. It will be hard to truly test homosexuality, because most people would not admit to it. I have a friend whose father was married for 20 years with two kids but finally got a divorce because he was gay. If you asked him (on the phone or through a survey) if he was gay while he was married, he would of said no even though he knew he was living a lie. And this is not a rare event, because most of the gay people that he was friends with were also married and living a lie. I just hope that you would never say "there aren't any gay people in my chapter" in front of your brothers or sisters, because the person that you say that to might be someone that is secretly dealing with that issue. It would not help the person to come out if that is stated. It might push them deeper in the closet.

Also it isn't cool to do some massive search to see if everything on that site is accurate. So what if you don't know anybody by that name in a particular chapter. Maybe the person graduated a long time ago or maybe the person is no longer in the organization because people treated them badly when they found out they were gay. It doesn't matter. Do you all think that this website is going to give your organization a bad name because someone listed a name on there as an out gay person? Don't worry! Most people that see that list are gay themselves.
Also I think that it is good that they listed their name on this site. It is a way to declare to the world that they aren't ashamed. No matter what people might say to them or do, they aren't making any apologies for how God made them.

kddani · #38 08-16-2002, 09:25 AM

Ok, so it's not cool for us to check out the site and verify the info? I'm sorry but I didn't realize that we weren't allowed to use it.

I for one never take ANYTHING from the internet as absolute fact. If we accepted everything as fact then god knows what the world would be like.

It's a public site. We have every right to look at it. And why is it not cool for us to look for our school or our GLO? And info on it is definately false, as in saying that there's a chapter of an org at a school that there never was, that says a lot about the credibilty of the site.

No one cares if their GLO's name is up there or their school. No one here is making homophobic statements. We were interested in the site and checked it out. No one said anything in the least about it giving their org a bad name, so I don't know where you pulled that from.

zchi2 · #39 08-16-2002, 09:45 AM

I personally don't think that it is necessary to look up other people's chapters to find out if it is correct or not if that is not the organization that you are apart. It's really nothing to worry about. To go around campus to ask people if they know someone that was listed as apart of a certain group is really not necessary.

33girl · #40 08-16-2002, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by zchi2
I personally don't think that it is necessary to look up other people's chapters to find out if it is correct or not if that is not the organization that you are apart. It's really nothing to worry about. To go around campus to ask people if they know someone that was listed as apart of a certain group is really not necessary.

OK, from what you have said it IS necessary for us to believe that every chapter has had a gay member, but it's not necessary to ascertain that the chapters existed at that school??! That is what I am having the most trouble with. If someone said they were an ASA from the University of Washington (where we have never been) or a KKG from Clarion (where they have never been) you can bet I'd be emailing and demanding that be removed from the site. Not because I'm homophobic, but because the person who used the group's name would be perping, which is WRONG.

Yes, it IS something to worry about if a person is making any kind of statement and attaching letters to it which do not belong to them. It puts a weight behind the person's actions which is not warranted.

kddani · #41 08-16-2002, 10:49 AM

applause for 33girl....

wonder what george would have to say on the subject? ;o)

zchi2 · #42 08-16-2002, 10:52 AM

Comparing being gay to Hitler is really crazy. *Thank you for editing the Hitler part out *I don't understand why people are looking at this list so closely. Why, is it necessary to look up other people's organzation website to see if that chapter actually exist? If it isn't your organization, I don't know why someone would go through the effort of trying to find out if it is true or not.

THERE'S GAY PEOPLE EVERYWHERE! GET OVER IT!!

kddani · #43 08-16-2002, 10:55 AM

People can do whatever they want. If they have the time and the desire to look it up, let them knock themselves out. Maybe they work on a computer all day and are bored (like me). Maybe they are checking the validity of such site.

And it's not like they've only found one or two, there have been quite a few mistakes found. That really raises a lot of questions of validity and purpose of the site. Posting false info and "perping" (or posing as i usually call it) as a member of an org is pretty wrong in my book.

I asked before, and i'm asking again, why are you so upset over this????????????? Why are you so defensive?

zchi2 · #44 08-16-2002, 11:11 AM

I am a RADIANT Lady of Zeta Sigma Chi Multicultural Sorority, inc.

http://www.zetasigmachi.com/epsilon

I'm bored at work too (that's why I am able to write so many messages on this board, lol) but demanding that this site remove information that doesn't even concern you, is crazy to me. Like I said, if it isn't your sorority or fraternity, why do you care so much? Is saying that there is a gay person in someone's organization that life-threatening?

MysticCat · #45 08-16-2002, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by zchi2
Comparing being gay to Hitler is really crazy.

Who said anything about Hitler?!

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I don't understand why people are looking at this list so closely. Why, is it necessary to look up other people's organization website to see if that chapter actually exist? If it isn't your organization, I don't know why someone would go through the effort of trying to find out if it is true or not. . . . Like I said, if it isn't your sorority or fraternity, why do you care so much? Is saying that there is a gay person in someone's organization that life-threatening?

It has nothing to do with it being life-threatening -- my own Fraternity prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, so it doesn't bother me at all for the list to include the names of gay Sinfonians, provided they really are Sinfonians. It's a matter of honest use the names of our GLO's.

I don't think anyone is going through the list with a fine tooth comb -- people are noticing when someone claims to have been a member of their own GLO at schools where there has never been a chapter of that GLO, or are noticing when someone at their own school claims to be a member of a GLO that has never been at that school. With regard to my own school, when I saw the reports of inaccuracies from other other GC'ers, purely out of curiousity I went to the website of the chapter in question and found, in the chapters list of all initiated members since its establishment, no reference to the name on the "out" list.

The fact that a number of people are finding such inaccuracies with regard to their own GLO or school raises valid questions: is this site something other than it claims to be, or being used contrary to its purpose. If all the names on the list really are the names of real Greeks from real chapters who are using this means of declaring that they are out, then fine. But if they are not real Greeks from real chapters, then they are using the names of our GLO's dishonestly to further their own cause. I have a problem with that -- the ends, however laudible, do not justify the means -- and I think the people who maintain the list need to be called on it (if it is intentional) or alerted to it (if it is not).