I'm Too Pretty To Do Homework!!!!!!

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I was just looking at the Gay Days site - apparently they have a parade down the Main Street of Disney? I don't think you could say that's "like any other group."

And what site is that? I'm guessing - non-Disney. Look on the DISNEY site - nothing. Disney EVERY DAY has a Main Street Parade which features guests - IT IS NOT A SPECIAL DISNEY SPONSORED PARADE FOR GAY DAYS. Disney decided early on to simply treat all their guests the same - so if a large group comes for Gay Days, they will be given the opportunity to join ALL the other guests.

So, yes. "Like any other group". If your sorority decides to descend en mass to the Magic Kingdom in matching shirts, you too can have your "own" parade.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I was just looking at the Gay Days site - apparently they have a parade down the Main Street of Disney? I don't think you could say that's "like any other group."

No, that's (one of) Disney's daily parade and there are so many people in the GayDays Red shirts that it's a sea of red.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That's really not JCP's job. This is a time where I feel that a parent should step in and say "Wow, Susie, this shirt is stupid. I hope you don't ever feel that pretty > smart." rather than "I WANT A MANAGER. WHO SELLS THINGS LIKE THIS??"

If I saw this shirt at a department store or a mainstream seller, I would do more than just not purchase it and tell the people in my vicinity not to purchase it.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

It's a shirt that perpetuates a negative stereotype.
Whether or not my daughter has that shirt, she has to deal with the type of culture it represents and perpetuates.
I will always protest anything which denigrates women and their intellectual ability.

After all , I'm a sorority woman; I am the product of an organization founded by women who were told they were too weak intellectually to succeed at the college level. They fought in 1874, I'm still fighting in 2011. I am the mother of two daughters, and I've had to raise them in a culture that even in this day and age will try to sexualize them and teach them their worth is bound up in their appeal to the opposite sex. Nope, not doing it.

@ the bold - It does suck, and I hope folks don't think that I like the shirt.

Using the Greek example -- How many shirts are out there with "Iota Tappa Keg" or "I Felta Thigh" written across the front? I think they're extremely tacky, but there are people out there that like them. I'm not going to write a letter demanding that their production be stopped because I don't like them.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Do you really think this is comparable? If so, it is no surprise that you disagree.

I do. I agree with someone who posted earlier -- I don't think the line has been crossed with this specific shirt.

Originally Posted by SigKapSweetie

That's the best part - if you wanted to petition them, you could, and if they felt that having Spencers in their mall outweighed having your business, they'd tell you to take a flying leap. That's the beauty of a free market (and a free country). I have petitioned, written letters, and protested against things that I find offensive. I do it as much to exercise my right to free speech as I do because I think it might make a difference.

I know that I have the ability to petition the malls, but my point is that I wouldn't do it for a situation like this.

[Optimus Prime]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That's really not JCP's job. This is a time where I feel that a parent should step in and say "Wow, Susie, this shirt is stupid. I hope you don't ever feel that pretty > smart." rather than "I WANT A MANAGER. WHO SELLS THINGS LIKE THIS??"

Well for most teens and young girls, that is not going to happen. They are not going to listen to their parents no matter how much they're told something. They're going to do/wear/say what their friends are doing, or what's popular in the stores.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I do.

Then it makes sense that you disagree.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I agree with someone who posted earlier -- I don't think the line has been crossed with this specific shirt.

There is no definite line and we don't have to personally agree on such matters for them to exist and persist.

[knight_shadow]

@ Drole -- At the rest of your post, fair enough, but...

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The idea that women should shut up and not make a big old public fuss is another sexist idea that keeps getting shoved down women's throats. If we're offended there's not a damn thing wrong with speaking up about it. That's all this is, speech.

I wasn't trying to turn this into a "know your place, little lady" thing. Yes, folks (men, women, black, white, whatever) should speak up on things, but I just felt like THIS shirt was much ado about nothing.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

If I saw this shirt at a department store or a mainstream seller, I would do more than just not purchase it and tell the people in my vicinity not to purchase it.

I doubt that a shirt like this would make it's way to a mainstream seller, but I get your point. I think this shirt would be over that line. But I also think that a shirt saying "I fucked my way to the top" or "On my way to being barefoot and pregnant" would be over the line, if it were to be sold at JCP/other dept store.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Optimus Prime

Well for most teens and young girls, that is not going to happen. They are not going to listen to their parents no matter how much they're told something. They're going to do/wear/say what their friends are doing, or what's popular in the stores.

That's not JCP's fault, though.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

There is no definite line and we don't have to personally agree on such matters for them to exist and persist.

I know

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

@ Drole -- At the rest of your post, fair enough, but...



I wasn't trying to turn this into a "know your place, little lady" thing. Yes, folks (men, women, black, white, whatever) should speak up on things, but I just felt like THIS shirt was much ado about nothing.

I know you weren't, but that's because you don't think there's anything wrong with it. Of course you're going to think it's silly to speak up when there's nothing wrong with it if you don't think there's anything wrong with it.

I'm very much in favor of women speaking up to influence the messages that are being given to our - society's- daughters. They deserve to receive healthy positive messages not unhealthy negative ones.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I doubt that a shirt like this would make it's way to a mainstream seller, but I get your point. I think this shirt would be over that line. But I also think that a shirt saying "I fucked my way to the top" or "On my way to being barefoot and pregnant" would be over the line, if it were to be sold at JCP/other dept store.

So, contrary to your previous posts, your issue isn't with people protesting and getting things removed. Your issue is with what the subjective line is? You are stuck in the personal opinion of what people should and should not raise an issue about. You need to grasp the aggregate effect.

[lake]

Originally Posted by Optimus Prime

Where did the whole mentality of pretending/being dumb= cute even come from?

Jessica Simpson.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm very much in favor of women speaking up to influence the messages that are being given to our - society's- daughters. They deserve to receive healthy positive messages not unhealthy negative ones.

Yes and not only women and not only messages given to society's daughters. Feminists of all genders can speak up about something even when people (including other feminists) disagree with them.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So, contrary to your previous posts, your issue isn't with people protesting and getting things removed. Your issue is with what the subjective line is? You are stuck in the personal opinion of what people should and should not raise an issue about. You need to grasp the aggregate effect.

I put this line...

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

...would be over the line, if it were to be sold at JCP/other dept store.

...in for a reason. As much as I don't like the shirt in the picture you posted, there may be a niche market for it. If someone wants to shop at Klan-Mart to get it, fine. I wouldn't protest that, as someone buying that item has every right to do so.

I don't know. The "protest any and everything" mentality just rubs me the wrong way in many instances, not just this one.

[SigKapSweetie]

Originally Posted by lake

Jessica Simpson.

+1.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If someone wants to shop at Klan-Mart to get it, fine.

No, department stores and mainstream retailers, which includes K-Mart, are not the niche market for such items.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

The "protest any and everything" mentality....

This is faulty logic. Just because you personally disagree with something doesn't mean that it is "protest any and everything." Don't you dare demean and reduce the perspectives of others; and the larger implications that exist and persist regardless of personal opinions.