Casey Anthony Trial

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by agzg

Why would folks who live thousands of miles get so worked up about a trial in which they A. don't know the victim or the defendant B. don't live in the same state or even time zone as the victim or defendant or C. aren't in the courtroom, don't have the full story about what happened in the courtroom, and don't have the full story about what happened in the jury room? What's the point of having a physical reaction to that? And then posting about it on facebook?

Cognitive dissonance, with a side of advertising their own quality to others.

[AGDee]

It's another case of trial by media before the real trial even began. I agree 100% with agzg. We didn't hear all the evidence, we weren't sitting in the courtroom and we weren't in the jury room. I would have a helluva time, as a juror, convicting anybody of murder when there was no firmly established cause of death and no physical evidence tying the murder to the accused. With no firmly established cause of death, how can you say there was a murder "beyond reasonable doubt".

Yes, in my heart, I think she probably did it. No, I don't think it was proved "beyond reasonable doubt" and those are two very different things. I'm absolutely not commenting about it on Facebook because people are way too riled up.

But then again, I'm the person who would have had a hard time convicting Scott Peterson of Laci's murder too. I didn't think there was enough evidence to prove to me "beyond a reasonable doubt".

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by AGDee

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But then again, I'm the person who would have had a hard time convicting Scott Peterson of Laci's murder too. I didn't think there was enough evidence to prove to me "beyond a reasonable doubt".

That's the reason why I was shocked she got off. I thought they (the jury) would just do a greater good conviction.

I did listen (to what I could bear) and though like you believe she did it, outside of the screaming heads and the Nancy Grace's I did not see how they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt because it was just a lot of weak circumstantial evidence.

Does she win mother of the year?

No

Could she babysit my kids?

No.

But just because me or you wouldn't kick it for two weeks while my baby is missing doesn't mean she's gotta be the killer.

I mean look at those that did kill their kids and immediately called the cops and were crying on cue.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

People who cleared out their savings for in vitro have always had the option of adopting children, though. Good ole American foster children at that.

I heart you Sen.

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

I agree. I don't think for one second they'll give her the death penalty but I do think she'll get life in prison. There is one juror that for the longest time kept saying he'd have a hard time giving anyone the death penalty regardless of their crime. Attitudes like that especially towards women who commit crimes makes me believe life in prison is what she'll get.

Yeah, her attorney will definitely file an appeal. It's standard.

Where I'm from saying you aren't sure you could go with the death penalty usually removes someone from the potential jury pool. I was honest when I told the lawyers and judge I was against it and I was excused. They knew I was for real though since I had a volunteer position working with families of inmates, with some of those inmates on California's death row.

[AnotherKD]

I think one of the reasons I was so shocked is because I WASN'T following it super closely. I was going off of what a lot of the hyperbole in the press. And of course I have my reaction to it, but I think my reaction is a) I am surprised that she got off because I was under the assumption that they had a lot more evidence against her (through hearing what everyone had to say about it), and b) I just feel bad for that little girl. No one should have to go through that. It's just a sad situation all around. BUT, if I am ever arrested and put on trial for something (heaven forbid), I would hope to have the presumption of innocence that we are lucky to have in this country.

[Senusret I]

There was too much to multi-quote here, so I will just say AMEN to everyone I agree with.

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by agzg

Who gets so emotionally invested in the outcome of a trial where the prosecution FUCKED THINGS UP that they feel sick or like crying, or blame the jury?

I don't believe the prosecution fucked things up at all. I think they did a great job but obviously the jury (much like in the OJ case) didn't see it that way.

As for getting emotionally invested, I don't see why it should bother you so much. Some people get emotionally invested in soap operas, movies, TV shows, books etc. What's the difference between those & these? Those are make-believe, this is real. I show real emotions (sadness, grief, happiness, anger etc) when I see a great movie or read a great book. This is no different. I may not live in Florida (hell, I live on the other side of the country in California) but that doesn't stop me from feeling for her & the entire situation surrounding her death.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

I don't believe the prosecution fucked things up at all. I think they did a great job but obviously the jury (much like in the OJ case) didn't see it that way.

As for getting emotionally invested, I don't see why it should bother you so much. Some people get emotionally invested in soap operas, movies, TV shows, books etc. What's the difference between those & these? Those are make-believe, this is real. I show real emotions (sadness, grief, happiness, anger etc) when I see a great movie or read a great book. This is no different. I may not live in Florida (hell, I live on the other side of the country in California) but that doesn't stop me from feeling for her & the entire situation surrounding her death.

There's a difference between "feeling for someone" (I'd like to think that none of us are heartless enough not to) or even having "real emotions" and having a physical and strong emotional reaction (feeling sick? crying? as if this happened to you personally? and then posting about it on facebook?).

This is just my opinion, of course, but folks like that seem to have drank a little too much of the Nancy Grace kool-aid. What about the other thousands of kids who go missing every year? If everyone felt as strongly about those kids as they do about this one kid, they'd never get out of bed. Why this case above all others?

It bothers me because there are millions of kids in the world who need help, but everyone's crying over one little girl. How many are involved in Boys and Girls clubs? How many donate to children's charities? Certainly not enough. But everyone can be a slacktivist on facebook.

Also: The jury did not make or break this case. They never make or break a case. The prosecution did. I'd say the defense put forth an awesome case, but the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they did not meet that burden. If that's not the prosecution messing it up, what is it?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by agzg

There's a difference between "feeling for someone" (I'd like to think that none of us are heartless enough not to) or even having "real emotions" and having a physical and strong emotional reaction (feeling sick? crying? as if this happened to you personally? and then posting about it on facebook?).

This is just my opinion, of course, but folks like that seem to have drank a little too much of the Nancy Grace kool-aid. What about the other thousands of kids who go missing every year? If everyone felt as strongly about those kids as they do about this one kid, they'd never get out of bed. Why this case above all others?

It bothers me because there are millions of kids in the world who need help, but everyone's crying over one little girl. How many are involved in Boys and Girls clubs? How many donate to children's charities? Certainly not enough. But everyone can be a slacktivist on facebook.

Also: The jury did not make or break this case. They never make or break a case. The prosecution did. I'd say the defense put forth an awesome case, but the burden of proof is on the prosecution and they did not meet that burden. If that's not the prosecution messing it up, what is it?

Amen.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Where I'm from saying you aren't sure you could go with the death penalty usually removes someone from the potential jury pool.

The way this is implemented varies wildly from state to state (and even judge to judge) - often, though, "not sure" isn't strong enough, you have to actually be unable or unwilling to assign the penalty (if for no other reason than to prevent 'rehabilitation' by the judge or opposing counsel).

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by agzg

There's a difference between "feeling for someone" (I'd like to think that none of us are heartless enough not to) or even having "real emotions" and having a physical and strong emotional reaction (feeling sick? crying? as if this happened to you personally? and then posting about it on facebook?).

I cry at the end of sad movies, even though they are entirely fake, and sometimes post about it on fb. Does that insult you or something? I don't know kids that are on tv for a st judes commercial, but that jerks my tears too. Since when are you the judge of what people get to be upset about?

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by Jen

I have told my mom if I ever go missing, Nancy Grace is not to be told lol.

I think a lot of the reaction is because Nancy Grace took this on as personal crusade, and so many people who didn't know a lot about the case knew only what Nancy Grace said.

I can't stand Nancy Grace either, and I am still waiting for her to apologize to the three young men that were on the Duke Lacrosse team. Still heartbroken by what happened to this little girl, and believe there was a miscarriage of justice.

[Jill1228]

Originally Posted by Jen

I have told my mom if I ever go missing, Nancy Grace is not to be told lol.

I think a lot of the reaction is because Nancy Grace took this on as personal crusade, and so many people who didn't know a lot about the case knew only what Nancy Grace said.

Originally Posted by katydidKD

I can't stand Nancy Grace either, and I am still waiting for her to apologize to the three young men that were on the Duke Lacrosse team. Still heartbroken by what happened to this little girl, and believe there was a miscarriage of justice.

To both posts:

[agzg]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

I cry at the end of sad movies, even though they are entirely fake, and sometimes post about it on fb. Does that insult you or something? I don't know kids that are on tv for a st judes commercial, but that jerks my tears too. Since when are you the judge of what people get to be upset about?

Who are you to judge a jury that listened to the facts as they were presented and did their jobs by carrying out the law? They followed their instructions. Saying this is a "miscarriage of justice" implies that they didn't.

Instead of being such a passive aggressive bitch all over the boards how about you use some logic and reason in your arguments? And yes, I am going to pass judgement and call you a drama queen, because that's exactly how you're acting.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by agzg

Instead of being such a passive aggressive bitch all over the boards how about you use some logic and reason in your arguments? And yes, I am going to pass judgement and call you a drama queen, because that's exactly how you're acting.

Oh my, I am SO INSULTED!