Obama's Birth Certificate Released

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

While I agree that there's a good chance all of this is for publicity, this part isn't a big problem given enough "oomph" behind the candidate - most have issues like this.

Hell, McCain had similar problems last cycle.

Nothing new. I feel that a lot of politicians "find Jesus" while on the campaign trail. Didn't Obama's stance on gay marriage and abortion change as well around 2007?

ETA- By finding Jesus I mean adjusting their views to be more inline with or palatable to their political party or the American public.

[BluPhire]

I'm sorry and I'm not trying to say this to be rude or insulting, but to believe that Donald Trump and this incident has signed his ticket to the GOP convention shows that people really don't know what the GOP is all about.

The GOP on a National Stage is not defined by its Fringe, if it was so Steve Forbes, Ron Paul, and Christine (the witch) O'Donnell and others would have been serious nominees along time ago. Only thing Trump has done is push himself while making the Status quo nervous. Heck even the Governor of Arizona had to dial it back once it got to the point where the Fringe was trying to get bills passed.

Trump is not running and if he did throw his hat in, nobody wants a First Lady Milania. Not gonna happen. He's entertainment.

[honeychile]

My own issue with the President's birth certificate was that the one he had originally released would not have been valid for most lineage societies. I haven't yet seen it, so I won't comment further on it.

The Donald. My own feeling is that he is there to bluster for the GOP, until they can find a viable candidate. Right now, no one candidate stands out - I even got a call from a Newt Gingrich for President committee the other night!

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by honeychile

My own issue with the President's birth certificate was that the one he had originally released would not have been valid for most lineage societies. I haven't yet seen it, so I won't comment further on it.

But we aren't talking lineage societies. We know societies operate on a different mindset than most other things. Its about the government and what is recognized by the United States of America, and also respecting the will of a particular state in the Union in how they produce that information. What Obama produced originally is what the State Hawaii allowed to be released.

[IrishLake]

I'm a Repub, and I'll eat my damn hat if Donald or Newt becomes the Presidential Nominee. I'll write myself in.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

But we aren't talking lineage societies. We know societies operate on a different mindset than most other things. Its about the government and what is recognized by the United States of America, and also respecting the will of a particular state in the Union in how they produce that information. What Obama produced originally is what the State Hawaii allowed to be released.

I was just stating my own interest in the matter. Also, I have seen Hawaiian birth certificates that were long form - this is not of the magnatude to which it's reached.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

I'm sorry and I'm not trying to say this to be rude or insulting, but to believe that Donald Trump and this incident has signed his ticket to the GOP convention shows that people really don't know what the GOP is all about.

The GOP on a National Stage is not defined by its Fringe, if it was so Steve Forbes, Ron Paul, and Christine (the witch) O'Donnell and others would have been serious nominees along time ago.

I'm sorry and I'm not trying to say this to be rude or insulting, but to believe the GOP is about anything other than electability (as shown by Palin's vetting etc.) shows that people really WANT a certain thing to be true, rather than proving it IS true.

(EDIT: For the record, I wish it were true as well)

[preciousjeni]

My "right wing extremist" (self-defined) family members are saying that a "Certificate of Live Birth" isn't a birth certificate. Nevermind that my four grandparents, two parents, brother and self have Certificates of Live Birth.



I'M NOT AN AMERICAN!

Originally Posted by honeychile

My own issue with the President's birth certificate was that the one he had originally released would not have been valid for most lineage societies. I haven't yet seen it, so I won't comment further on it.

Not true for DAR and UDC. What other lineage societies are you referring to?

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I'm sorry and I'm not trying to say this to be rude or insulting, but to believe the GOP is about anything other than electability (as shown by Palin's vetting etc.) shows that people really WANT a certain thing to be true, rather than proving it IS true.

(EDIT: For the record, I wish it were true as well)

Republican party didn't vett Palin, McCain did...poorly.


The reflection of Palin as a viable candidate is proven by the fact that she is NOT a frontrunner for the nomination.

She is just a tool, like Trump. Electrify the base, but you wouldn't really give her the nomination.

Originally Posted by honeychile

I was just stating my own interest in the matter. Also, I have seen Hawaiian birth certificates that were long form - this is not of the magnatude to which it's reached.

Understood in your own interest, but when your own interest shape your opinion, that's how Tea Parties are started. Just like what PreciousJeni wrote Certificate of Live Birth is not proof according to her far right.

Heck some states recognize the Family bible.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Heck some states recognize the Family bible.

Some lineage societies do as well.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Some lineage societies do as well.

...I was about to say. I know that they accept Bible records, but not Certificates of Live Birth?

[ASUADPi]

Maybe someone can clarify for me....

I watched an interview with Donald and George (Stephanapolous) and Donald was going on and on and on about Obama's birth certificate not being "real" because it said "certificate of live birth".

I have my birth certificate and that's what it says "certificate of live birth".

So I'm not understanding what the big damn deal was. Why was Donald (and probably others) claiming that his (Obama's) birth certificate "not real".

I'm asking because I truly don't understand what the big deal was.

Too me it is people who are anti-Obama raising a fuss trying to get him out of office by claiming he isn't a "natural born U.S. citizen".

[Always AlphaGam]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Maybe someone can clarify for me....

I watched an interview with Donald and George (Stephanapolous) and Donald was going on and on and on about Obama's birth certificate not being "real" because it said "certificate of live birth".

I have my birth certificate and that's what it says "certificate of live birth".

So I'm not understanding what the big damn deal was. Why was Donald (and probably others) claiming that his (Obama's) birth certificate "not real".

I'm asking because I truly don't understand what the big deal was.

Too me it is people who are anti-Obama raising a fuss trying to get him out of office by claiming he isn't a "natural born U.S. citizen".

See here: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feat...ficate-5649302

The one issued today is an image of the original record. The other one issued previously is computer generated with the general facts of the birth, sans the fancy signatures. Usually the latter, if it contains the embossed seal of the Department of Health, is enough to prove one's citizenship and birth info (getting a passport, getting a driver's license, etc.).

[agzg]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

So I'm not understanding what the big damn deal was. Why was Donald (and probably others) claiming that his (Obama's) birth certificate "not real".

I'm asking because I truly don't understand what the big deal was.

Too me it is people who are anti-Obama raising a fuss trying to get him out of office by claiming he isn't a "natural born U.S. citizen".

That and they're racist.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by agzg

That and they're racist.

BEAT ME TO IT.