Feds to file lawsuit over Arizona immigration law

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So you know their intent?

(Using aliens is an example of dehumanizing, since you were struggling with the concept earlier.)

no. i read the law.

aliens is the correct term.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alien

1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

no. i read the law.

aliens is the correct term.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/alien

1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization

So you don't know their intent either?

And using a "correct term" doesn't make it an "appropriate term."

Dictionaries define a lot of things.

[Drolefille]

These quotes highlight why I cannot see the push to challenge the 14th amendment as anything other than reactionary racism:

Graham's rhetoric echoed that of e-mail, widely circulated by Pearce, that explains the logic behind the strategy: "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do." This statement—which Pearce has publicly defended—comes from a man named Al Garza, identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a former top official in the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps and founder of the Patriots Coalition, whose website includes jokes about assassinating President Obama.

"It's invasion by birth canal," the leader of a California anti-immigrant ballot initiative told the Los Angeles Times. The head of an anti-immigrant group in Virginia called for an investigation into "whether or not illegal aliens have a preferred breeding season." According to Texas Republican Representative Ron Paul, "awarding automatic citizenship to children born here minutes after their mothers illegally cross the border" is "a matter of national security."

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[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

So you don't know their intent either?

And using a "correct term" doesn't make it an "appropriate term."

Dictionaries define a lot of things.

it specifically states illegal or undocumented aliens in the law. so unless it says something else on a magical page that i didn't see, that's who it's intended to target.

appropriate is a matter of perspective. what you think is appropriate might not be what someone else views as appropriate. that doesn't change the fact that it's correct.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by starang21

it specifically states illegal or undocumented aliens in the law. so unless it says something else on a magical page that i didn't see, that's who it's intended to target.

appropriate is a matter of perspective. what you think is appropriate might not be what someone else views as appropriate. that doesn't change the fact that it's correct.

I think you are are missing is what's "correct" vs what leaves you with a swollen lip.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And using a "correct term" doesn't make it an "appropriate term."

Dictionaries define a lot of things.

I don't see the word "alien" as being dehumanizing, it is used in the INA and other laws to describe non citizens. How about we use undocumented migrant from now on.?

[DaemonSeid]

**snickers**

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by starang21

it specifically states illegal or undocumented aliens in the law. so unless it says something else on a magical page that i didn't see, that's who it's intended to target.

appropriate is a matter of perspective. what you think is appropriate might not be what someone else views as appropriate. that doesn't change the fact that it's correct.

You specifically challenged DS by saying he didn't know what the lawmakers' intents were. The law they wrote literally only shows the actions. You have no greater an idea of their intent than DS does and his reading is not less valid because you disagree.

Usually you go with what the people in the population prefer, similar with racial, ethnic, gender, sexuality and any other identity oriented language. Just because the dictionary says X doesn't mean that X is a good word to use.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Using aliens is an example of dehumanizing

I use "undocumented residents." The term "illegal alien" is uncouth.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I use "undocumented residents." The term "illegal alien" is uncouth.

I tend to fall on illegal immigrants as it is as close to neutral as I can use without typically getting harassed for *~*ignoring*~* that they're here illegally.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You specifically challenged DS by saying he didn't know what the lawmakers' intents were. The law they wrote literally only shows the actions. You have no greater an idea of their intent than DS does and his reading is not less valid because you disagree.

Usually you go with what the people in the population prefer, similar with racial, ethnic, gender, sexuality and any other identity oriented language. Just because the dictionary says X doesn't mean that X is a good word to use.

wrong. the fact that the law specifically states illegal aliens, indicates who they're intending to go after. nowhere in the bill does it state anything about race. DS is inferring race. i'm not inferring illegal aliens.

i'm not worried about the feeling of illegal aliens.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I think you are are missing is what's "correct" vs what leaves you with a swollen lip.

if you can't handle a differing opinion without attempting to threaten bodily harm, then you need to thicken your skin and get a better argument..

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by starang21

wrong. the fact that the law specifically states illegal aliens, indicates who they're intending to go after. nowhere in the bill does it state anything about race. DS is inferring race. i'm not inferring illegal aliens.

i'm not worried about the feeling of illegal aliens.

But you, yourself stated that the highest abounts of illegals in the country and in Az ARE Hispanics.

There is no other state right now that is taking a more aggressive stance against illegal immigrants, WHO ALSO are Hispanic, who ALSO form a large majority of that state than Arizona...I mean Texas has postured, and I believe California has also. Virginia has laws on their books...but do this, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Arizona is not just targeting Hispanic people.

have we heard about them going after illegal Asians, Greeks or Polish people?

No.

What about Cubans, Haitians or Brazialians?

No.


African Americans? ...maybe.

Manybe I have been under a rock all this time but for some reason, every time I hear or see images about the Arizona immigration issue, I see old white lawmakers going after what looks to be Latino people...so I think you have a difficult case in proving for a fact that this law covers ALL illegals and is not singling out one race in particular.

maybe it's just my POV but also after being a victim of profiling I may have a bit of bias with with this law.

BTW, you never did answer my question...I will take that as you don't have an answer.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

But you, yourself stated that the highest abounts of illegals in the country and in Az ARE Hispanics.

There is no other state right now that is taking a more aggressive stance against illegal immigrants, WHO ALSO are Hispanic, who ALSO form a large majority of that state than Arizona...I mean Texas has postured, and I believe California has also. Virginia has laws on their books...but do this, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Arizona is not just targeting Hispanic people.

have we heard about them going after illegal Asians, Greeks or Polish people?

No.

What about Cubans, Haitians or Brazialians?

No.


African Americans? ...maybe.

Manybe I have been under a rock all this time but for some reason, every time I hear or see images about the Arizona immigration issue, I see old white lawmakers going after what looks to be Latino people...so I think you have a difficult case in proving for a fact that this law covers ALL illegals and is not singling out one race in particular.

it's targetting illegal aliens. 5/6 illegal aliens are of hispanic decent. that doesn't mean that it's targettig hispanics. unless you're insinuating that hispanics are all illegal.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Let me try this again, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, without me having to screw around with statistics and websites, can you answer the question?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal...gal_immigrants

screw with these statistics. that's my answer.