Capitalist vs. Socialistic

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

I guess everyone does what works for them. In the 3 years I've been active we haven't had a new member disaffiliate or go inactive in their first year active except under extreme circumstances(death in family, financial circumstances change, etc.)

Neither have we and that's out of 70-80 new members per year on a highly competitive NPC formal recruitment campus.

While I'm not criticizing your methods, I do wish to explain my GLO's (and I imagine most NPC group's) perspective on new members. The process is called "New Member Education" for a reason. We are talking about 18-19 year olds. Their values, morals, ethics, beliefs, etc are not yet set in stone. One of our primary goals is to educate them, guide them, and help them become the women we believe they are capable of, living up to the high ideals of our organization.

Kicking someone out after only a few days for making a mistake isn't sisterhood. Would someone's (real life) family kick her out when she screwed up or didn't get along with her (real life) sisters? I would hope the parents would show her the error of her ways, perhaps discipline her, and help her become a better person who will make better choices next time.

I'm not saying membership cancellation due to someone's behavioral problems doesn't happen. But that is only after all efforts to educate and counsel that member on appropriate standards of behavior have failed.

[Stupid Rushee]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

There's only one org out of the three that has that extreme of a problem, but membership retainment is a problem across the board.

Might I point out that you are not privy to what is going on in these groups. How do you know that they are not retaining their members? Do you see their member roles? If they really are losing half of their chapters each semester "across the board", this is extremely odd for NPC organizations.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Stupid Rushee

Might I point out that you are not privy to what is going on in these groups. How do you know that they are not retaining their members? Do you see their member roles? If they really are losing half of their chapters each semester "across the board", this is extremely odd for NPC organizations.

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[33girl]

Originally Posted by ilpwineg

I guess everyone does what works for them. In the 3 years I've been active we haven't had a new member disaffiliate or go inactive in their first year active except under extreme circumstances(death in family, financial circumstances change, etc.)

Neither did we, and I was in an NPC.

I do agree with you that high school often doesn't say jack squat about what a person was like in college. Yeah, maybe Susie was the head of SADD and model legislature and heaven knows what else...maybe 1) she was also only doing it because her parents forced her and 2) the groups themselves were jokes. The thing at a lot of the huger chapters though, is that they often have members that went to this or that high school and can confirm that Teens Against Tobacco Use was a joke (against tobacco, not marijuana).

I'm being nebby, but you opened the door. What DO you vote pledges out for? Like I said before if you've had 2 weeks worth of rush (and I assume no silence or no-contact rules) and you STILL can't suss out the real person, what on earth are you looking at?? Especially since (it would seem) your potential membership pool is so much smaller than the NPCs.

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[ilpwineg]

I think my statement was mistakenly a little too broad, I didn't mean that all NPC organizations have that problem, at bigger schools, with many more NPC organizations and a bigger portion of the population interested in being greek, I can totally see how the process works and is beneficial. But at my particular campus it just doesn't seem to fit the demographics of the students here.

I want to make it clear that we in no way haze our girls to make them prove they are "worthy" of being apart of our sisterhood. Our process is much like an educational experience, where we are guiding the girls into the women we know they can become as someone previously expressed. The only thing we do a little different is we have our girls mimic some of the things we do when we're active, such as plan a sisterhood, a philanthropy and a fundraiser as a class so that they can get a feel for what they are getting in to.

We want to make sure we have girls coming in that are going to really be passionate about what they are apart of, and will really be involved and add something to help further improve the org. I think we all can agree that the saddest thing to see is a girl that joins an organization and ends up being unhappy because she wasn't ready for what was coming, I think a lot of girls(more so w/ smaller chapters, less hands, more work) are surprised by how much work and dedication it takes behind the scenes.

A girl is only dropped when there is a serious concern. When a problem is brought to our attention we don't just take it to a vote and thats that. We discuss it at length, find solutions to help the girl, talk to the girl about the problem and give her time to improve on the problem, if there continues to be issues then taking it to a vote would be the next action. There isn't always a vote every 2 weeks, it's just an option. Dropping a girl is always last resort, and is hard on both sides.