Flu Vaccines

WinniBug · #1 11-14-2009, 12:24 AM

My crazy MIL just told me that she doesn't agree with my decision to get my 7 month old Babybug vaccinated because the flu vaccine has antifreeze in it, is strained through dead fetuses and is a live virus.

I know the vaccine a baby gets isn't a live virus, just the nasal mist is, but does anyone know where the rest of that mumbo jumbo came from??

Kappamd · #2 11-14-2009, 12:32 AM

I give her credit for creativity.

WinniBug · #3 11-14-2009, 12:35 AM

Her chiropractor who doesn't believe in any kind of of shots told her that....

Psi U MC Vito · #4 11-14-2009, 01:03 AM

So she decided to take information about medicine from somebody who isn't even a doctor? The live virus thing is the only part of that tirade that I think would be feasable. Antifreeze seriously? Sure because the drug companies want to poison thousands of people.

court4short · #5 11-14-2009, 01:53 AM

I know that the Pharmacist I work with doesn't recommend the flu shot to children under 9(?)ish because it has something in it that is linked to autism.

Kappamd · #6 11-14-2009, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by court4short

I know that the Pharmacist I work with doesn't recommend the flu shot to children under 9(?)ish because it has something in it that is linked to autism.

It is exactly this kind of misleading information that scares parents into not getting their children vaccinated. The scientific evidence behind the idea that Thimerosal, a common preservative in vaccines, causes autism is weak and numerous studies have gone so far as to support the rejection of the hypothesis entirely.

WinniBug · #7 11-14-2009, 09:00 AM

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/13516797...ne-Ingredients
http://www.flu-treatments.com/flu-shot-ingredients.html

Kevin · #8 11-14-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by WinniBug

Her chiropractor who doesn't believe in any kind of of shots told her that....

What sort of training does a chiropractor have to give him any sort of insight on this above and beyond the average Joe?

PhoenixAzul · #9 11-14-2009, 10:27 AM

The anti-vaccination crowd makes my blood rise sometimes. It's all well and good that people don't want to vaccinate their children...but then segregate them from the rest of the world and don't inflict their germy little selves on the rest of us. As a T1 Diabetic, my immune system isn't always 100%, and infections and illnesses take much longer to die down for me. And down time means no work, which means no money, which I don't really have the wiggle room to lose. So while those precious little non antibiotic all organic non vaccinators sit around and say that the body is meant to fight off disease, I'm down with the flu or worse and paying out the nose for it.

To me, vaccination isn't so much about the self, it's about others (the elderly, the young, the immunosupressed). NPR's This American Life had a story about a group of parents who didn't get the MMR vaccine for their kids...then one got the measles. Measles is infectious for up to 2 hrs after the person has left the room. A whole group of children too young to be vaccinated ended up getting the disease because of those kids just being in the same store, and then had to be quarantined/hospitalized.

The British writer Dr. Ben Goldsmith has written pretty extensively on the origins of the MMR=Autism misunderstanding.

More from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8268302.stm
And from BBC wayyyy back in 1998
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/68947.stm

WinniBug · #10 11-14-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

What sort of training does a chiropractor have to give him any sort of insight on this above and beyond the average Joe?

EX-actly!

I shit you not, these are her facebook responses to my status update about my 7 mo. old's dr. appt. and vaccines.

don't agree with the flu shots at all

the shot has antifreeze in it and they strain it through dead fetuses. no, this is not a made up story...had the facts from my chiropractor who does not believe in any shots....says if you keep your back healthy.....you can deal with anything and he had the printed material to back it up.......the flu vaccine is for last years flu.....not the new strains that come out

the H1N1 is a live virus....which can't be good....to me they pushed it way too fast

i didn't know till a few years ago that your kids don't have to have shots to get into school

Gusteau · #11 11-14-2009, 12:03 PM

"and he had the printed material to back it up"

Yeah I could have printed material about fetus strainers too if I felt inclined to boot up my inkjet printer...

PhoenixAzul · #12 11-14-2009, 01:08 PM

I wonder if she remembers what Polio victims looked like before that vaccine was developed. Or the infant and childhood mortality rate. Yep, they didn't have to have vaccines to get into school...when they were dead.

Also..the back has no correlation with your immune system. I've had some quacks tell me they could cure my diabetes with an "adjustment". Riiight...because cracking my back will miraculously regenerate my islet cells. Hallelujah.

Kappamd · #13 11-14-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul

The anti-vaccination crowd makes my blood rise sometimes. It's all well and good that people don't want to vaccinate their children...but then segregate them from the rest of the world and don't inflict their germy little selves on the rest of us. As a T1 Diabetic, my immune system isn't always 100%, and infections and illnesses take much longer to die down for me. And down time means no work, which means no money, which I don't really have the wiggle room to lose. So while those precious little non antibiotic all organic non vaccinators sit around and say that the body is meant to fight off disease, I'm down with the flu or worse and paying out the nose for it.

To me, vaccination isn't so much about the self, it's about others (the elderly, the young, the immunosupressed). NPR's This American Life had a story about a group of parents who didn't get the MMR vaccine for their kids...then one got the measles. Measles is infectious for up to 2 hrs after the person has left the room. A whole group of children too young to be vaccinated ended up getting the disease because of those kids just being in the same store, and then had to be quarantined/hospitalized.

The British writer Dr. Ben Goldsmith has written pretty extensively on the origins of the MMR=Autism misunderstanding.

More from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8268302.stm
And from BBC wayyyy back in 1998
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/68947.stm

ME TOO. I'm sorry, but I think people who do not get vaccinated, or don't have their children vaccinated are selfish idiots. If they have an legitimate allergy to the vaccine, then okay, otherwise.....

WinniBug · #14 11-14-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul

I wonder if she remembers what Polio victims looked like before that vaccine was developed. Or the infant and childhood mortality rate. Yep, they didn't have to have vaccines to get into school...when they were dead.

Also..the back has no correlation with your immune system. I've had some quacks tell me they could cure my diabetes with an "adjustment". Riiight...because cracking my back will miraculously regenerate my islet cells. Hallelujah.

My Grandma died giving birth to my aunt because she had polio.

court4short · #15 11-14-2009, 06:11 PM

Disclaimer: I got vaccinated and I agree with being vaccinated.