Obama effectively clinches nomination

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by unspokenone25

Wow. Couldn't do much worse than your ole buddy, Dubya. And if I were a GOP lobbyist (so glad I turned down that job), I would be depressed too.

Which may be true, but just because Obama could be better than (insert name here) doesn't mean someone should vote for him.

Also, you shouldn't assume every Republican is completely happy with the job Dubya has done in office.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

See my earlier post. If he selects that shrill vindictive bitch, then he will be seen as weak and the Clinton era of lies, deceit, and liberal entitlement will continue.

Oh damn, maybe I should just go on and admit that I'm slowly becoming Republican. Those damn taxes do it to me every time...

He needs a white male from the South, or maybe the Rust Belt.

Not that I love taxes however thought should be given to:
When ever a "disaster" occurs, our hands go out.
When ever there is a problem with the interstucture, our hands go out.
When ever we look for a service, our hands go out.
Most of us who use any kind of mass transit, our hands are going out.
And all that money comes from just where?

We, the people, have been told so often that taxes are evil that we some times may just forget what pays for things.
And what other things get substituted for them.
Including debt.

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I failed to add to my earlier posting that perhaps another reason for Hillary to "hold off" is the $11 million debt in her campaign account. She maybe looking for donations from both her supporters as well as Obama.

I completely forgot about that.

[shinerbock]

Obama could do everything he promises too, and I still wouldn't want him as President. He would probably do a very good job as a borderline socialist leader, but that isn't something that interests me.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Not that I love taxes however thought should be given to:
When ever a "disaster" occurs, our hands go out.
When ever there is a problem with the interstucture, our hands go out.
When ever we look for a service, our hands go out.
Most of us who use any kind of mass transit, our hands are going out.
And all that money comes from just where?

We, the people, have been told so often that taxes are evil that we some times may just forget what pays for things.
And what other things get substituted for them.
Including debt.

I would contest that the hands going out, not the distaste for high taxation, is the problem here.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

He needs a white male from the South, or maybe the Rust Belt.

If he goes this route, he should pick Ted Strickland from Ohio. I'd prefer Bill Richardson, since he was my first choice in the primaries anyway. If he picks Richardson, I'll be able to get more excited about the ticket. He needs a governor, he needs to fill in that "executive office" experience gap and Richardson also brings foreign relations and cabinet experience. He also can reach out to the Hispanic vote, which Hillary did better with (though there also might be prejudice against him for the same reason). I like Evan Bayh, but (a) he won't help the "too liberal" argument and (b) teaming up a Senator from Indiana with a Senator from Illinois doesn't exactly make a power-duo ticket. Plus if he goes with the "I need a governor so I can't pick a Senator" argument, he gets out of the whole considering Hillary thing. I actually preferred Hillary over Obama, but I just don't see her in the #2 slot, I'd worry it'd lay the groundwork for a terribly dysfunctional administration.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I actually preferred Hillary over Obama, but I just don't see her in the #2 slot, I'd worry it'd lay the groundwork for a terribly dysfunctional administration.

I totally agree. If Obama picks Hillary, I forsee a terrible power struggle.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but i was impressed with the speech he gave last night. I lol'ed at the commentators (or whatever they are called) when they were reviewing Obama's comment about McCain not addressing Obama's achievements.

Do you all thinks Edwards would be a better VP choice than Hillary?

[fantASTic]

I, for one, am extremely excited that he has clinched the nomination. I just hope he doesn't pick Hillary as his running mate...if he does, here's my prediction for the presidency: instead of Obama being president, it's going to be a screwed up triad where Hillary AND Bill fight Obama tooth and nail for power.

Bad idea.

I go for Richardson.

[bluefish81]

Originally Posted by epchick

Do you all thinks Edwards would be a better VP choice than Hillary?

Originally Posted by fantASTic

I go for Richardson.

I like Edwards, but I like Richardson as VP even more.

[jon1856]

FYI-Just about every News Group and Organization is reporting tonight that Sen Clinton will be formally suspending her campaign by weeks end/Saturday, and giving her full support to Sen. Obama.

[AGDee]

I just don't see Clinton doing well as second in charge. Her personality is #1 or nothing, in my opinion. An Alpha dog...

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Not that I love taxes however thought should be given to:
When ever a "disaster" occurs, our hands go out.
When ever there is a problem with the interstucture, our hands go out.
When ever we look for a service, our hands go out.
Most of us who use any kind of mass transit, our hands are going out.
And all that money comes from just where?

We, the people, have been told so often that taxes are evil that we some times may just forget what pays for things.
And what other things get substituted for them.
Including debt.

I couldn't agree more. There are some things that are worth our money... helping our neighbors after disasters, maintaining our infrastructure, maintaining a powerful military that answers our every beck and call... the line, "Freedom isn't free" comes to mind. While not everyone chooses to serve with his or her life, everyone serves our country by being a responsible citizen and paying taxes. Is is fun? No, but it is necessary. And in my opinion, it is a small price to pay to be able to enjoy the fruits of living in the best and most powerful nation in the world. Are there places where we can cut back? Absolutely. I'm very Christian, and as a result, I believe that it is in our nation's best interest to be good stewards of our fortune. That being said, I'm also led by the Christian precept of taking care of "the least of these." I'm all for open markets and capitalism-- to a point. When we become irresponsible and run over people, I draw the line.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by scbelle

I couldn't agree more. There are some things that are worth our money... helping our neighbors after disasters, maintaining our infrastructure, maintaining a powerful military that answers our every beck and call... the line, "Freedom isn't free" comes to mind. While not everyone chooses to serve with his or her life, everyone serves our country by being a responsible citizen and paying taxes. Is is fun? No, but it is necessary. And in my opinion, it is a small price to pay to be able to enjoy the fruits of living in the best and most powerful nation in the world. Are there places where we can cut back? Absolutely. I'm very Christian, and as a result, I believe that it is in our nation's best interest to be good stewards of our fortune. That being said, I'm also led by the Christian precept of taking care of "the least of these." I'm all for open markets and capitalism-- to a point. When we become irresponsible and run over people, I draw the line.

I believe in helping people too. I just don't think it should be at the end of a spear. Individuals and private entities are much, much, much more capable of discerning who is truly in need and who isn't. The government has a trail of horribly run social programs.

If freedom stops when we become irresponsible...what about abortion? Further, what good is freedom when it halts when times get tough? Individuals have a responsibility to look after the welfare of fellow citizens. The government doesn't have the responsibility of making everyone middle class.

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I believe in helping people too. I just don't think it should be at the end of a spear. Individuals and private entities are much, much, much more capable of discerning who is truly in need and who isn't. The government has a trail of horribly run social programs.

If freedom stops when we become irresponsible...what about abortion? Further, what good is freedom when it halts when times get tough? Individuals have a responsibility to look after the welfare of fellow citizens. The government doesn't have the responsibility of making everyone middle class.

What does abortion have to do with anything? And why must being a good neighbor and wanting to help people be "making everyone the middle class"? My point is that this trickle-down crap doesn't work. It should, in theory, but corporate greed often takes over. That's why the Republicans blocked an effort to tax the windfall profits of oil companies, yes? They know that the companies will only pass their tax bill onto consumers, thereby not really accomplishing anything for Joe and Jane Q. Consumer. That's the way the rest of corporate America works as well.

And what of freedom stopping when times get tough? That doesn't just happen economically, you know. My civil freedoms have been infringed upon by this lawless administration, yet I don't see you getting in a tissy about that one.

The way you phrase your answer makes me think you believe anyone who wants to tax wants to give money away and wants to live in a socialist government. I don't. I want to tax, but I want us to be wise about how we spend it. I don't think having some money put away for disasters is wanting to "make everyone middle class", or wanting to fund the military ( I would give the world to these people-- I live among them, and they deserve every blessing in this world for what they do every day) is making everyone middle class. I have a few ideas of my own as to what kind of programs need to be funded, but I think you'd be surprised at what is and what is not on that list.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by epchick

Do you all thinks Edwards would be a better VP choice than Hillary?

A McChicken sandwich would be a better VP choice than Hilary.