Nothing is fair about Florida and Michigan

[AGDee]

I agree that the anger regarding the nomination will die down by November. The reality is, Obama and Clinton aren't very far apart on the issues. They are both miles apart from McCain though. If you vote based on issues, as an educated person should, and not on race, gender or any other superficial reason, then the other democratic candidate would be your optimal choice. You better believe the Michigan Unions would take Obama over McCain. McCain didn't win Michigan in the primaries either.

[TorrentRain]

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL

Barack shouldn't have gotten any of the FL votes. He was so certain that they "should not count". The fact that we even had delegates already siding for him when they hadn't even resolved this until now grinds my gears. Why should we give anything to him when he didn't care about us? I can't stand him. I don't know what I'll do come November if he's the nominee. Actually, I do kinda have an idea of who I'll vote for.

Whoever in Florida decided to switch the election date earlier should be scolded, not Barack. And I don't trust Clinton at all, she seems to switch stances a lot.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by TorrentRain

Whoever in Florida decided to switch the election date earlier should be scolded, not Barack. And I don't trust Clinton at all, she seems to switch stances a lot.

I don't know, it should be up to the state when they have their primary, that whole thing just seemed like a whine contest to me

[AOIIBrandi]

My personal opinion is that primary in Florida was not a true representation of its Democratic vote. The reason is that Florida Democrats knew long before the election that their vote essentially would not count, so I think many did not bother to go to the polls.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by jon1856

I am not sure if I am following your comment very well.
My understanding is that FL State government is is about 2-1 Republican.
And as they lead and control the legislative policy and laws of the State, they are the ones that caused any number of problems.
So I would think any anger should be directed toward that direction.
I find it rather hard to imagine that Barack does not care about the people and population of FL let alone any State.

Explain to me how Florida's republican government is responsible for the Florida Democratic Party's action.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by AOIIBrandi

My personal opinion is that primary in Florida was not a true representation of its Democratic vote. The reason is that Florida Democrats knew long before the election that their vote essentially would not count, so I think many did not bother to go to the polls.

Assuming you're right, a smaller sample size on a poll of this scale would mean a slightly larger margin of error but the numbers should still be accurate.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Explain to me how Florida's republican government is responsible for the Florida Democratic Party's action.

Just who proposed, voted on, and instituted the change in the FL primary date?

[bluefish81]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Just who proposed, voted on, and instituted the change in the FL primary date?

I can't answer that for PhiGam, but I can say that there are several states where the Democrats and Republicans hold their primaries and caucuses on different days. I live in one. However, I realize that wasn't the case in Florida, but nothing was stopping them from doing so.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by bluefish81

I can't answer that for PhiGam, but I can say that there are several states where the Democrats and Republicans hold their primaries and caucuses on different days. I live in one. However, I realize that wasn't the case in Florida, but nothing was stopping them from doing so.

As this is about FL, there are several ways to locate the information about it:
Ths following just happened to be the very first on on the search engine results.
Florida Democratic primary, 2008
In August of 2006, the Democratic National Committee adopted a proposal by its Rules and Bylaws Committee that only four states: Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina would be permitted to hold primaries or caucuses before February 5, 2008.[1]. In the spring of 2007, the Florida legislature passed by overwhelming majorities House Bill 537[2] which moved the date of the state's Republican and Democratic primaries to January 29th, a week before the earliest permitted date[3] of both parties.
In response, the Democratic Party's Rules and Bylaws Committee voted on August 25, 2007 that Florida was in violation of its rules, and gave the state 30 days' notice to change the date of its primary.[1] As Florida did not respond, the Committee stripped Florida of its delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention.[4] On August 31, officials from the four approved early-voting states asked all the candidates to pledge not to campaign or participate in Florida, and all the major candidates signed the pledge.[1]Despite the pledge, the major candidates remained on the ballot, as Florida rules do not allow candidates to remove their names without withdrawing completely from the general election.[5]
In October 2007, Democrats from Florida's congressional delegation filed a federal lawsuit against the DNC to force the recognition of its delegates: however the suit was unsuccessful.[4][1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida...rimary%2C_2008

[PhiGam]

They were trying to do the dems a favor by making the primary more meaningful. The DNC is STUPID for ignoring votes from battleground states.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

The DNC is STUPID for ignoring votes from battleground states.

A-freaking-men to this.

And before someone pipes in with "but they broke the rules!!!!11!!1!!", yes, I am aware, I still think the party could have handled the situation upfront a little better and avoid the massive nightmare this has become.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

They were trying to do the dems a favor by making the primary more meaningful. The DNC is STUPID for ignoring votes from battleground states.

Well-I had this rather odd thought in mind:
"Hi, this is Karl and this is just how we are going to mess with the DNC THIS year."

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Well-I had this rather odd thought in mind:
"Hi, this is Karl and this is just how we are going to mess with the DNC THIS year."

Hi, this is Howard and this is how we're going to help Obama have the nomination locked up early.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

A-freaking-men to this.

And before someone pipes in with "but they broke the rules!!!!11!!1!!", yes, I am aware, I still think the party could have handled the situation upfront a little better and avoid the massive nightmare this has become.

If anything the primaries from MI, FL, OH, and PA should count double. The popular vote means nothing in presidential elections.
The Democrats have given up on Florida, IMO and they're probably counting on Michigan to go blue because of the union presence.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Hi, this is Howard and this is how we're going to help Obama have the nomination locked up early.

Yeah, with how Dean managed to derail his own campaign, maybe putting him in charge of the whole party's political train may not have been the best idea in hindsight, hmmm???