California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[doogur]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Wow, is that what you read in my posts? Do you do tea leaves too, how about reading bones?

Leviticus is jewish tradition. You first quoted it as Bible Truth, so you have to have interest in it.

Or didn't you know that Leviticus is jewish tradition. Probably not.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by doogur

No, I can just go talk to people I know who have been fired and beaten up for being gay. Maybe should talk to them too.

I have. But there was not a systematic, government law stating that if you were anything but white and male you could not vote in this country, nor at one time own property.

While gays have suffered abuses and discrimination, it was done out of the ignorance of the person, and not due to some official government law.

[doogur]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

*WE* are discussing one particular issue that is mentioned in *a* verse of Leviticus. What *you* are talking about, I have no idea....

Why mention other verses that are not related to the topic of this thread?

All the Bible is relevant. Or is it that one verse? Yes, for you it's that one verse.

Are you telling me you follow all the rules of Leviticus? If you tell us that, you are a liar. If you don't, you are a hypocrite.

Bible cherry picking does not behoove you.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by doogur

Leviticus is jewish tradition. You first quoted it as Bible Truth, so you have to have interest in it.

Or didn't you know that Leviticus is jewish tradition. Probably not.

Yes, I do know that Leviticus is Jewish tradition. What Jews call their Torah, we as Chrisitans call the Old Testament.

[doogur]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I have. But there was not a systematic, government law stating that if you were anything but white and male you could not vote in this country, nor at one time own property.

While gays have suffered abuses and discrimination, it was done out of the ignorance of the person, and not due to some official government law.

It is legal to fire someone for being gay, deny them housing for being gay. I think that's pretty serious stuff. I guess you don't. Sounds kind of...heartless.

[nate2512]

Doogur, just leave, I must say that some of the points that people pro-gay on this board have brought up are legitimate, but yours are not. You are bending what people are saying to fit your own frame of mind when it is not the case. You are picking parts of the bible that fit your agenda and throwing out the rest, and then accusing us of it.. You can't do that. You say that my points are illogical but yours aren't? You might be served well contributing to this website than arguing things that are completely irrational, then people might respect you enough to take your comments seriously.

[doogur]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yes, I do know that Leviticus is Jewish tradition. What Jews call their Torah, we as Chrisitans call the Old Testament.

Ok then let's go through all the rules of Leviticus and you tell the viewing public how many of those rules YOU follow.

I'm serious. I'm waiting...

[doogur]

Originally Posted by nate2512

Doogur, just leave, I must say that some of the points that people pro-gay on this board have brought up are legitimate, but yours are not. You are bending what people are saying to fit your own frame of mind when it is not the case. You are picking parts of the bible that fit your agenda and throwing out the rest, and then accusing us of it.. You can't do that. You say that my points are illogical but yours aren't? You might be served well contributing to this website than arguing things that are completely irrational, then people might respect you enough to take your comments seriously.

I'm not the one who was Bible quoting, YOU started it. So...go to Leviticus and go through EACH rule and tell us how you follow those rules.

You live by leviticus, nate you die by leviticus.

Now start...

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by doogur

All the Bible is relevant. Or is it that one verse? Yes, for you it's that one verse.

Are you telling me you follow all the rules of Leviticus? If you tell us that, you are a liar. If you don't, you are a hypocrite.

Bible cherry picking does not behoove you.

Of course the whole Bible is relevant.

Since you seem to be new to GC let me 'school' you on a GC rule:

While in a thread, it is important to stay on topic.

Again, there are many other verses in Leviticus, and the entire Bible, but for the context of this thread only a particular verse applies.

Do you understand?

[doogur]

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

Ok you two...want to handle this one?

[doogur]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Of course the whole Bible is relevant.

Since you seem to be new to GC let me 'school' you on a GC rule:

While in a thread, it is important to stay on topic.

Again, there are many other verses in Leviticus, and the entire Bible, but for the context of this thread only a particular verse applies.

Do you understand?

This IS on topic. I'm trying to show that you quote the Bible but don't follow it yourself. You have NO credibility.

Don't quote the Bible if you can't abide by your own words. Don't tell other people what they can and can't do if you can't follow the rule book yourself.

Do YOU understand? I'm trying to figure out why the whole Bible is relevant but you conveniently ignore hundreds of passages on a daily basis, but pick out the gay passage as a law never to be broken.

That is a fair and legitmate question and quite frankly you owe this board an answer.

[doogur]

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Ok sigma? Nate? We'll never see you quoting this one, either. Because I'm sure you don't believe in this crap. But you'll quote the gay stuff.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by doogur

I'm not the one who was Bible quoting, YOU started it. So...go to Leviticus and go through EACH rule and tell us how you follow those rules.

You live by leviticus, nate you die by leviticus.

Now start...

You said start quoting leviticus, therefore, I did. Then YOU chose to live and die by leviticus, I brought up very valid points about the new testament, but as expected YOU IGNORED them because you are an ignorant person who is only interested in your side of the story, instead of recognizing credible statements by the opposing side. If you want to counter what I'm saying please take into account everything I'm saying instead of taking things out of context to fit your own agenda.

ETA: The fact I had to tell you where to go to read what I was saying proves that you don't seem to be keeping up with conversation.

[doogur]

Originally Posted by nate2512

You said start quoting leviticus, therefore, I did. Then YOU chose to live and die by leviticus, I brought up very valid points about the new testament, but as expected YOU IGNORED them because you are an ignorant person who is only interested in your side of the story, instead of recognizing credible statements by the opposing side. If you want to counter what I'm saying please take into account everything I'm saying instead of taking things out of context to fit your own agenda.

I responded that Jesus had nothing to say about the topic. He didn't. Though in Matthew he unfavorably compared Jerusalem's sin of inhospitality to that of Sodom.

The reality is that you quoted the old testament but choose to ignore literally hundreds of rules but spout off about a few that pique your interest.

Don't be quoting old testament and telling millions of people how to live if you can't live by the words yourself. You can't. Say you do and I'll start with more Leviticus and move to other parts of the Bible.

[doogur]

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5)

If anyone, even your own family suggests worshipping another God, kill them. (Deuteronomy 13:6-10)

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)